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HomeMy WebLinkAboutTC Agd Pkt 2015-09-02 (2)TOWN OF TIBURON 1505 Tiburon Boulevard Tiburon, CA 94920 Town Council Meeting September 2, 2015 Agenda Item: STAFF REPORT To: From: Mayor and Members of the Town Council Community Development Department Subject: Amendments to Chapter 16 (Zoning) of the Tiburon Municipal Code to Prohibit Seasonal Rental Units; File MCA 2015-07; (Ordinance Adopt" i Reviewed By: BACKGROUND The Town Council held first reading of this ordinance following a public hearing at its meeting on August 19, 2015, and waived additional readings. The first reading carried on a 3-2 vote. The ordinance now comes to the Town Council for consideration of adoption. Due to the split vote during the first reading, this item is being presented as an Action Item so that individual votes on the proposed adoption may be tallied by roll call. RECOMMENDATION Staff recommends that the Town Council: 1. Hear any testimony from interested persons. 2. Proceed to consider adoption of the ordinance as follows: a. Move to hold a roll call vote adopting the ordinance. b. If the motion is seconded and carries, request the Town Clerk to call the roll on adoption of the ordinance. A majority vote in favor would enact the ordinance. EXHIBIT 1. Draft Ordinance No. 562 N. S. Prepared by: Scott Anderson, Director of Community Development TOWN OF TIBURON PAGE 1 OF 1 ORDINANCE NO. 562 N. S. (DRAFT) AN ORDINANCE OF THE TOWN COUNCIL OF THE TOWN OF TIBURON REPEALING TITLE IV, CHAPTER 16, SECTION 16-40.040 (SEASONAL RENTAL UNITS) OF THE TIBURON MUNICIPAL CODE AND ADOPTING A NEW TITLE IV, CHAPTER 16, SECTION 16-40.040 THAT PROHIBITS VACATION RENTALS WHEREAS, the Town consists of just over four square miles of land on a narrow peninsula jutting into San Francisco Bay, which is home to 9,000 residents and numerous visitors from the world over on any given day of the year; and WHEREAS, Tiburon's housing goals include preserving its housing stock and preserving the quality and character of its existing single and multi -family residential neighborhoods; and WHEREAS, the Town must also preserve its unique sense of community which derives, in large part, from residents' active participation in civic affairs, including local government, cultural events, and educational endeavors; and WHEREAS, Tiburon's unparalleled geography, climate, natural beauty, its charming downtown, distinct residential neighborhoods and proximity to San Francisco and other parts of the San Francisco Bay Area have drawn visitors from around the United States and around the world; and WHEREAS, the Town affords an array of visitor -serving short term rentals, including, hotels, motels, seasonal and/or vacation rentals, not all of which are currently being undertaken as authorized by local law; and WHEREAS, operations of vacation rentals, where residents typically rent out entire units Town of Tiburon Ordinance No. 562 N. S. DRAFT Effective --/--/2015 Pagel 1 7-- --,-7 NO., to visitors and are not present during the visitors' stays, are found to be detrimental to the Town's public welfare because occupants of such vacation rentals do not have any connections to the Tiburon community and to the residential neighborhoods in which they are visiting; and WHEREAS, the presence of such visitors within the Town's residential neighborhoods has on well-documented occasions disrupted the quietude and residential character of the neighborhoods and adversely impact the community, resulting in noise, parking and litter complaints from adversely affected neighbors; and WHEREAS, judicial decisions have upheld local governments' authority to prohibit vacation rentals. NOW, THEREFORE, THE TOWN COUNCIL OF THE TOWN OF TIBURON DOES HEREBY ORDAIN AS FOLLOWS: SECTION 1. REPEAL. Title IV, Chapter 16, Section 16-40.040 of the Tiburon Municipal Code is hereby repealed. SECTION 2. ADOPTION OF AMENDMENTS. (A) Title IV, Chapter 16, Section 16-21.030 (Table 2-1) is amended to read as shown on attached Exhibit "A". (B) Title IV, Chapter 16, Section 16-50.020 (Table 5-1) is amended to read as shown on attached Exhibit "B". (C) Title IV, Section 16-40.040 of the Tiburon Municipal Code is hereby adopted to read as follows: Town of Tiburon Ordinance No. 562 N. S. DRAFT Effective --/--/2015 Page12 16-40.040 VACATION RENTALS 16.40.042 Vacation Rentals Prohibited No person shall undertake, maintain, authorize, aid, facilitate or advertise a Vacation Rental, as defined herein. Any permits previously issued for such uses (also known as Seasonal Rental Units) shall not be renewed and shall expire according to the terms of those permits and become null and void on December 31, 2015. 16-40.046 Enforcement (a) Any person violating any provision of this Section shall be guilty of an infraction, which shall be punishable by a fine as established by Resolution of the Town Council and amended from time to time. (b) Any person convicted of violating any provision of this Section in a criminal case or found to be in violation of this Section in a civil case brought by a law enforcement agency shall be ordered to reimburse the Town and other participating law enforcement agencies their full investigative costs, pay all back -owed transient occupancy taxes, and remit all illegally obtained rental revenue to the Town so that it may be used to return payment to the affected vacation renters. (c) Any person who violates any provision of this Section shall be subject to administrative fines and administrative penalties pursuant to Title VI, Chapter 31 of this Code and to recovery of collection costs pursuant to Title II, Chapter 1, Section 1-10 of this Code. (d) Any interested person may seek an injunction or other relief against any person who is alleged to be violating this Section in order to prevent or remedy violations of this Section. The prevailing party in such an action shall be entitled to recover reasonable costs and attorney's fees from the person determined to be in violation. Under no circumstance shall any person be Town of Tiburon Ordinance No. 562 N. S. DRAFT Effective --/--/2015 Pagel 3 entitled to maintain an action seeking an injunction or other relief or recover any reasonable costs and attorney's fees against the Town to enforce the provisions of this Section. (e) The remedies provided in this Section are not exclusive, and nothing in this Section shall preclude the use or application of any other remedies, penalties or procedures established by law. (B) Title IV, Chapter 16, Article X, Section 16-100.020 is amended as follows: (1) The definition of "Seasonal rental unit" in Section 16-100.020 (S) is amended to read as follows: Seasonal rental unit. See "Vacation rental". (2) The following definition is added to Section 16-100.020 (S): Short term rental. See "Vacation Rental". (3) The following definition is added to Section 16-100.020 (V): Vacation Rental. Rental of any dwelling unit, in whole or in part, within the Town of Tiburon to any person(s) for exclusive transient use of 30 consecutive calendar days or less, in instances where the unit is only approved for permanent residential occupancy and not approved for occupancy by transients, as that team is defined in Title II, Chapter 7 of this Code. Rental of units within Town -approved hotels, motels and bed and breakfasts shall not be considered Vacation Rental, nor shall providing room and board for one guest in a single family dwelling. SECTION 3. SEVERABILITY. If any section, subsection, subdivision, paragraph, sentence, clause or phrase of this Ordinance, or its application to any person or circumstance, is for any reason held to be invalid or unenforceable, such invalidity or unenforceability shall not affect the validity or enforceability of the remaining sections, subsections, subdivisions, paragraphs, sentences, clauses or phrases of Town of Tiburon Ordinance No. 562 N. S. DRAFT Effective --/--/2015 Page 4 this Ordinance, or its application to any other person or circumstance. The Town Council of the Town of Tiburon hereby declares that it would have adopted each section, subsection, subdivision, paragraph, sentence, clause or phrase hereof, irrespective of the fact that any one or more other sections, subsections, subdivisions, paragraphs, sentences, clauses or phrases hereof be declared invalid or unenforceable. SECTION 4. PUBLICATION AND EFFECTIVE DATE. This Ordinance shall be in full force and effect thirty (30) days after the date of adoption. Pursuant to the provisions of the California Government Code, a summary of this ordinance shall be prepared by the Town Attorney. At least five (5) days prior to the Town Council meeting at which adoption of the ordinance is scheduled, the Town Clerk shall (1) publish the summary in a newspaper of general circulation in the Town of Tiburon, and (2) post in the office of the Town Clerk a certified copy of this ordinance. Within fifteen (15) days after the adoption of this ordinance, the Town Clerk shall (1) publish the summary in a newspaper of general circulation in the Town of Tiburon, and (2) post in the office of the Town Clerk a certified copy of the ordinance along with the names of those Council members voting for and against the ordinance. This ordinance was read and introduced at a regular meeting of the Town Council of the Town of Tiburon, held on August 19, 2015, and was adopted at a regular meeting of the Town Council of the Town of Tiburon, held on September 2, 2015, by the following vote: AYES: COUNCILMEMBERS: NAYS: COUNCILMEMBERS: ABSENT: COUNCILMEMBERS: FRANK X. DOYLE, MAYOR TOWN OF TIBURON Town of Tiburon Ordinance No. 562 N. S. DRAFT Effective --/--/2015 Pagel 5 ATTEST: DIANE CRANE IACOPI, TOWN CLERK Attachments: Exhibit "A" ---Revised Table 2-1 Exhibit "B" ---Revised Table 5-1 Town of Tiburon Ordinance No. 562 N. S. DRAFT Effective --/--/2015 Pagel 6 TABLE 2-1 Allowed Land Uses and Permit Requirements for Residential Zones LAND USE (1) AGRICULTURAL & OPEN SPACE USES P Permitted Use U Conditional Use Permit MP Ministerial Permit Use not allowed PERMIT REQUIRED BY DISTRICT R-1 R -1-B RO R-2 R-3 RPD RMP Specific Use Regulations Agriculture, including Aviaries (6) U U U U U U U Title VI, 20-5.1 Botanical conservatories, oufdoor nature labs, and similar facilities — — — — — U U Open space use — — — — — P P Wildlife sanctuaries — — — — — U U 16-52.100116-52.10° RECREATION, EDUCATION & PUBLIC ASSEMBLY USES Equestrian facility (2) U U U — — U U Title VI, 20-5.1 Golf course/country club U U U — — U U Library, museum U U U U U — — Parochial or other nonprofit school - elementary, secondary, or college U U U U U U U 16-52.100116-52.10° Philanthropic or charitable facility U U U U U U U Private residential recreation facilities U U U U U U U Public park P P P P P P P Playground U U U U U U U 16-40.020 Publicly owned building or facility U U U U U U U Religious places of worship U U U U U U U RESIDENTIAL USES Home occupation P P P P P P P 16-52.110 Intermediate or community care facility (3) P P P P P P P Multifamily dwelling — — — — P — P Secondary dwelling unit /Junior accessory dwelling unit (5) MP MP MP — — MP — 16-52.100116-52.10° Single-family dwelling P P P P — P P Single-family dwelling providing room/board for 1 paying guest P P P P — P P Two-family dwelling, attached — — — P — — P Two-family dwelling, detached — — — P(4) — — — 16-40.020 Transitional, supportive housing P P P P P P P Key to Zoning District Symbols R-1 Single -Family Residential R-3 Multifamily Residential R -1-B Modified Single Family Residential RPD Residential Planned Development RO Residential Open RMP Residential Multiple Planned R-2 Two -Family Residential Notes: (1) See Article X (Definitions) for land use definitions. (2) The keeping of horses subject to licensing of each horse pursuant to the Tiburon horse license ordinance. Use permits for keeping horses shall automatically terminate upon revocation of license issued under horse license ordinance. (3) As defined by state law or any other residential care facility for the handicapped (as defined by the Fair Housing Act) located in a single-family dwelling. All such facilities shall be subject to all regulations of the California Health and Safety Code. (4) Provided that design review board has approved or conditionally approved a detached two-family dwelling exception, as set forth in Section 16-40.020. Detached two-family dwellings that lawfully existed on June 4, 2003 are deemed legal nonconforming structures subject to provisions of Section 16-62. (5) Also subject to Standards adopted by separate Resolution of the Town Council. (6) Except for chicken -keeping and bee -keeping as set forth in Section 16-40.070. EXHIBIT "A" TABLE 2-1 (Continued) Allowed Land Uses and Permit Requirements for Residential Zones P Permitted Use U Conditional Use Permit MP Ministerial Permit — Use not allowed LAND USE (1) PERMIT REQUIRED BY DISTRICT R-1 R -1-B RO R-2 R-3 RPD RMP Specific Use Regulations SERVICES -GENERAL Bed and breakfast facility (B&B) U U U — — — — Residential Planned Development Child day-care facilities, small family day-care homes – up to 8 children (5) P P P P P P p Health & Safety Code 1597.3 et seq. Child day-care facilities, large family day-care homes - 9 to 14 children (5) MP MP MP MP MP MP MP Health & Safety Code 1597.46 - 1597.465 Child day-care center -15 or more children U U U U U U U Medical Services - Hospital U U U U U U U Real estate tract office U U U U U U U TRANSPORTATION. COMMUNICATIONS & INFRASTRUCTURE Public utility and communication equipment building U U U U U U U Residential Planned Development Wireless communication facility, amateur or professional (6) U/MP U/MP U/MP U/MP U/MP U/MP U/MP Code ment Code 65850.6 Key to Zoning District Symbols R-1 Single -Family Residential R-3 Multifamily Residential R -1-B Modified Single Family Residential RPD Residential Planned Development RO Residential Open RMP Residential Multiple Planned R-2 Two -Family Residential Notes: (1) See Article X (Definitions) for land use definitions. (2) The keeping of horses subject to licensing of each horse pursuant to the Tiburon horse license ordinance. Use permits for keeping horses shall automatically terminate upon revocation of the license issued under horse license ordinance. (3) As defined by state law or any other residential care facility for the handicapped (as defined by the Fair Housing Act) located in a single-family dwelling. All such facilities shall be subject to all regulations of the Califomia Health and Safety Code. (4) Provided that design review board has approved or conditionally approved a detached two-family dwelling exception, as set forth in Section 16-40.020. Detached two-family dwellings that lawfully existed on June 4, 2003 are deemed legal nonconforming structures subject to provisions of Sec. 16-62. (5) When located in a single-family dwelling. (6) See Section 16-42.040 for specifics. Certain modifications, replacements and removals are subject to ministerial review and approval under federal law or are eligible for streamlined discretionary review. Table 5-1 - Review Authority Type of Permit or Decision Role of Review Authority' Director Design Review Board Planning Commission Town Council Site Review n and Architectural Decide Appeal Action Site Plan and Architectural Review (Minor Alterations) Decide Appeal Action Variance, Site Plan and Architectural Review -related Decide Appeal Action Variance, Other Decide Appeal Action Conditional Use Permit Decide Appeal Action Condominium Use Permit Decide Appeal Action Precise Development Plan Recommend Decide Secondary Dwelling Unit Permit/ Junior Accessory Dwelling Unit Decide Appeal Action PP Zoning Ordinance Text Amendment2 Recommend Decide Rezoning or Prezoning2 Recommend Decide Home Occupation Permit Decide3 Appeal Action3 Temporary Use Permit Decide3 Appeal Action3 Tidelands Permit (minor and incidental) Decide3 Appeal Action3 PP Tidelands Permit (all other) Decide Appeal Action Wireless Communication Facility (administrative) Decide Appeal Action Minor changes to an approved project Decide4 Notes: 1. "Recommend" means that the review authority makes a recommendation to a higher decision-making body; "Decision" means that the authority makes the final decision on the matter; "Appeal Action" means that the review authority may consider and decide upon appeals to the decision of an earlier decision-making body, in compliance with Section 16-66 (Appeals). 2. If the Planning Commission denies an application for a Precise Development Plan amendment, Zoning Text Amendment, Rezoning or Prezoning, that decision is final unless appealed to the Town Council. 3. The Director may refer any such application to the Planning Commission for review and action, in which case the Town Council will be the appeal body. 4. An appeal of the Director's decision shall be heard by the original project's Review Authority, whose decision shall be final. EXHIBIT "B" Diane Crane Iacopi /,Q 7--E• A4.4 / L �/o F- l is From: Peggy Curran Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 1:47 PM To: Scott Anderson; Dan Watrous; Diane Crane Iacopi Subject: FW: Short term rentals in Tiburon From: bhwilflyC«�gmail.com [mailto:bhwilfly(agmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 11:35 AM To: Peggy Curran Subject: Short term rentals in Tiburon D. E HEr AUG 27cU1b TOWN CLERK TOWN OF TIBURON Dear Town Council, I will be out of town this Wednesday when the issue of short term rentals is considered. I would like to share my thoughts. I attended the August 19 Council meeting. While I heard many compelling arguments about the economic advantages of conducting short term rentals and promises to demand good tenant behavior, I wonder how many bad experiences might also be created. • Good neighborhood relations are often difficult to maintain. But it is a powerful incentive to good neighborly behavior if both parties know they'll see each other next day, next week and next month. Short term renters have a different perspective and owe nothing to the neighbors. It is much less mortifying to throw up on your next door neighbor's deck from your window if you'll be leaving in the morning and never returning. There is rich history behind the phrase, "What happens in Las Vegas, stays in Las Vegas." • The majority of homeowners are responsible people and want to avoid causing trouble for their neighbors. But while a homeowner is vacationing in Europe, he is unable to monitor his tenants' behavior. In commercial activities, such monitoring is done by the hotel front -desk. With house rentals, the responsibility to complain falls to the neighbors. Whether they want to or not, their recourse is to call the police (or grit their teeth and endure disruptive behavior). The police must undertake hotel front -desk complaint duties. • The Tiburon Police will respond to complaints but have limited power and can be directed by tenants to get off their property. • To those who favor this policy change, please ask, "What if short -teen rentals were proposed for the house next door to you? Would you feel differently?" • Permitting short-term rentals is tantamount to lifting zoning restrictions. Zoning was created in response to the inherent differences between commercial and private activities. Commercial districts exist to confine those disruptions to known, clearly -identified areas. • Tiburon --especially Old Tiburon and Lyford Cove have highly unusual lots. Very small and close together both side-to-side and front -to -back. You are cheek -by -jowl with your neighbors and often their actions are visible or audible or both. • Absence of evidence (widespread complaints about short-term tenant behavior) is not the same as evidence of absence. At least, solicit the experiences of neighbors who have lived next to frequently rented houses. Many have personal stories but didn't want (or know who to whom) to complain. 1 • Sausalito has banned short-term rental activity. Why? Might it be that their higher tourist profile has already generated sufficient complaints that the Town Council was moved to action. We should reach out to see what motivated their decision. While I am sympathetic to the urge to increase cash-flow and finance that trip to Europe, I am skeptical that allowing short-term rentals in Tiburon will prove an unqualified boon for our small, tightly packed neighborhoods. I urge you to repeal the 2010 ordinance permitting less than 30 -day rentals in Tiburon. Yours truly, -Barry Wilson, 1990 Centro West, Tiburon 2 Diane Crane Iacopi From: Peggy Curran Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 8:54 AM To: Dan Watrous; Scott Anderson; Diane Crane Iacopi Subject: Fwd: Short term Vacation Rentals - AirBnB From: darnel amir <daniel amir,@yahoo.com> Date: August 26, 2015 at 8:15:15 PM PDT To: "town@townoftiburon.orc <towr a,,townoftiburon.org> Subject: Short term Vacation Rentals - AirBnB Reply -To: daniel amir <daniel_amir cr,yahoo.com> H0WU ti AUG 27nib TOWN CLERK TOWN OF TIBURON To Town Council, I am writing this letter with regards to seasonal rental units/AirBnB. I understand that on the table there is approving an ordinance to ban any vacation rentals that are less than 30 days on Sept 2nd Town Council. I believe that as a town we should be part of the new economy. Sites like AirBnB provide a wonderful opportunity for young families to offset their vacation costs by getting some extra income by renting their home while they are away. Without this option, many families would not be able to enjoy going to new places and reduce their vacation cost. The cost of living is extremely high in the bay area and some extra dollars goes a long way. One cannot argue that sometimes bad things happen when one rents their house to relative strangers. However, to come out with a policy that takes away this opportunity to the whole community that is widely used around the world because of a few bad instances is unfair as well. The vast majority of people I know who rent out to AirBnB vet people very thoroughly before renting their residence to someone. There needs to be a balance. A possible compromise is in order to possibly limit the short term "weekend" parties that have been mentioned in some neighbor complaints is to limit the minimum stay to 7 or 10 days rather then 30 days which essentially takes away any possibility of a vacation rental. My guess is that this would significantly reduce the occasional "bad apple" experiences. This also gives the option to see how a more "limited" policy might work for a year and if significant problems persist then the "30 day" option can always be raised again. The argument that this is a residential community and therefore should not be allowed for vacation rentals, takes away the aspect that owners should benefit and not be hurt by living in a great place like Tiburon. A more balanced approach is a much more adequate angle that fits the circumstances. My sense that it is very difficult to fight the changes that happen in our economy, as a community we should embrace and benefit from it. Regards, Daniel Amir Belveron East Resident 1 Diane Crane Iacopi 1111Pme 411101111111000 L,AF-E M4/L 4:1-/ D E Ud AUG 2i5'LUQ) TOWN CLERK TOWN OF TIBURON From: Marti Andrews [mailto:martipandrews@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 7:48 AM To: Peggy Curran Subject: Housing Importance: Low Greetings Council Members: I have concerns about the government telling homeowners what they can and cannot do with their property. Why not let people rent their house for a week or two here and there? If a problem arises (noise, whatever), that is an individual situation and should be dealt with accordingly. Curbing ownership rights in case there are isolated problems is not good government. Thank you, Marti Andrews martipandrews@gmail.com +1 415.847.1200 1 Diane Crane Iacopi From: Matthew Le Merle <mlemerle@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 4:04 PM To: Diane Crane Iacopi Subject: Re: Right to make use of our home Dear Tiburon Mayor, Vice Mayor and Council members AUG7 S %I17F AUG252Uib TOWN CLERK TOWN OF TIBURON /144/L Ar =/ We have been following with increasing concern the news regarding short term rentals in Tiburon. As we understand it: 1. Some people in Tiburon have been renting their homes for less than 30 days without permits 2. A handful of those rentals have resulted in disturbances where the police needed to be contacted 3. The Town of Tiburon wants to better manage those disturbances going forward 4. However, instead of focusing on a handful of bad apples, the Town Council voted to penalize the thousands of well behaved and fully law abiding homeowners of Tiburon by taking away their right to rent their homes if they want or need to do so. 5. This would not only make it illegal to do a once or twice a year rental when you are yourself on vacation or traveling 6. If we understand this correctly it would also make it impossible to allow people to use their Tiburon home for other short term rental purposes such as weddings, photoshoots, filming, many philanthropic activities etc. We just don't see why every Tiburon homeowner should be penalized in this across the board way. We also have read postings including by members of your committee in which the position is stated that even though this ban will be on the books, it will not be enforced. We don't like the idea that we will need to BREAK THE LAW in order to use our property. Once the law is on the books, any law abiding citizen of Tiburon is put into a terrible dilemma - accept the "blind eye" of the counsel and town police while breaking the law, or not do something that was always a fully permitted right of home ownership in the USA. 1. In our case, we bought our house twenty years ago always believing that as we moved into retirement and had more time to travel, we would do so by renting homes abroad and renting out our own home at the same time to cover those costs 2. We have also considered using our gardens as a location for people wanting to hold weddings on a summer weekend in beautiful Tiburon 3. While we have not yet done so, this was part of our long term plan - a way to keep living in Tiburon when our incomes reduce 4. And we knew that this was fully legal in the Town of Tiburon as it is in most towns in America If you ban outright short term rentals, we believe you will be greatly harming us, our family, and hundreds of other families in Tiburon We don't know what our recourse would be, and frankly we don't want to need to find out PLEASE, vote to greatly increase enforcement of the disturbance of the peace laws already on the books. PLEASE by all means increase fines for homeowners who allow their houses to be used in a way that disturbs neighbors. i And only if absolutely necessary, create some sort of ban on short term rental only properties (properties which are not lived in by the owner for at least nine or ten or so months a year. BUT DO NOT strip away our property rights, create substantial harm to us, and make it impossible for us to retire gracefully in the way we had planned Thank you Yours sincerely, Matthew Matthew C. Le Merle Managing Partner FIFTH ERA Advise. Develnp, Invest KEIRETSU CAPITAL Fifth Era: mlemerle@fifthera.com Keiretsu Capital: matthew@keiretsucapital.com Home: mlemerleCc gmail.com Tel: +1 (415) 997 9937 www.fifthera.com www.keiretsucapital.com 447f-- kiA( ,4 / Dan Watrous From: Marcy Ziesing [marcyziesing@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 2:02 PM To: Dan Watrous Subject: short term rentals Dear Tiburon council members: AUG 2 5 2015 J PLANNING DIVISION As long time Tiburon homeowners, we do not agree with the town council's recent decision to ban short term rentals. We feel this is a violation of our property rights. Furthermore, it deprives the town of occupancy taxes. I urge the town council to reverse its decision immediately. Thank you for your consideration. Marcy and Hunter Ziesing 1 cf— 3/—/5 Diane Crane Iacopi From: Peggy Curran 'ent: Friday, August 28, 2015 2:24 PM .o: Dan Watrous; Scott Anderson; Diane Crane Iacopi Subject: Fwd: Late mail. Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: LATE MAIL # Ari From: "Eth, Jordan" <JEth@mofo.com> Date: August 28, 2015 at 10:47:50 AM PDT To: "town@townoftiburon.org" <town@townoftiburon.org> Cc: "Bonnie Ross (Bonnieross2@comcast.net)" <Bonnieross2@comcast.net> Please pass this along to the Town Council: Kudos to the three members of the Town Council who voted against allowing short-term rentals. While there is a vocal minority interested in allowing these rentals, I believe that the majority of Tiburon residents are against it. More importantly, it is very much in the interest of the Town to prevent these rentals. Tiburon is a residential community. It thrives because its residents take a Tong -term personal interest in the community. People know their neighbors, the schools, the teachers, the pathways, and the shops—and do all they can to preserve the Town's special qualities. Permitting short-term rentals would undermine all of this. Do we want more traffic? More noise? More people whose interest in the town is limited to a quick weekend stay—and not even in a hotel, but rather in a residential neighborhood? I certainly don't. I've heard that some people claim this is a matter of "freedom" to rent out your own property. This is a silly argument. Tiburon is the special place that it is because of rules that promote community, not unfettered personal interests. People can't build whatever they want wherever they want whenever they want. Look at Marin in general; why don't we have billboards lining the freeway? Why is there open space at all? Because of restrictions that promote the greater good. If people want greater "freedom" over their property, there are plenty of places that allow it. Tiburon isn't one of them, and the Town shouldn't go down this road. My wife and I live at 35 Mark Terrace and have lived in Tiburon for 25 years. Our two boys attended Tiburon schools, and they still enjoy coming home and spending time in Tiburon. Jordan Eth Office: (415) 268-7126 Mobile: (415) 370-5511 jeth@mofo.com 1 HEM AUG 31 LUib TOWN CLERK TOWN OF TIBURON Tdmodiy ifayeg 2217 Ceng70 Ea St, gitlreCi 'iborroaa, CAI 94920 August 29, 2015 Tiburon Town Council Re :short- term rentals, IENInnq AUG 3 1 [nth TOWN CLERK TOWN OF TIBURON I am strongly opposed to the short term rentals that have infected this community. I do not believe that most of the owners are even legally a resident and are taking advantages of our tranquility and views. I therefore ask that you uphold your earlier ruling and make them illegal. It will take courage to do this because the pressure on you will be great. But you too must be great. Than Timothy D Hayes Diane Crane Iacopi _ From: Dan Watrous 'ent: Monday, August 31, 2015 8:36 AM l'o: Diane Crane Iacopi Cc: Peggy Curran; Scott Anderson Subject: FW: Comment on Vacation Rental Ban for 9/2 Meeting From: Cleveland Justis [mailto:ctjustis©gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 7:00 PM To: Dan Watrous Subject: Comment on Vacation Rental Ban for 9/2 Meeting Dear Council Members, HEM 11 AUG nib TOWN CLERK TOWN OF TIBURON Most of us live in Tiburon for similar reasons — it is a great community with terrific schools, kind people, an ideal climate, and a well-run government — all within easy commute to one of the world's great metropolitan areas. We have owned our Tiburon for over 11 years and have been active community members that entire time. We love it here and are pleased with most aspects of Tiburon. Of course, Tiburon faces some real challenges like traffic, a burgeoning school population, and threats from wildfire, earthquakes, and climate change. I was surprised and dismayed recently that the Town Council made such a radical decision (ignoring the Planning Commission's recommendations) to attempt to solve what ,ppears to be a non -problem — vacation rentals. Like all commercial activity, vacation rentals should be appropriately regulated. Some have raised concerns about noise, parking, and traffic from vacation rentals. These are all valid concerns and should be addressed — and we have existing statues and procedures to deal with these concerns. The Planning Commission provided well -considered and reasonable solutions and I urge the Council to reverse its recent decision. The Council should adopt the Commission's recommendations rather than choosing an outright ban. The majority of the Tiburon's residents and the business community favor allowing managed vacation rentals and are against an outright ban. I hope the Council will choose to respect the wishes of the vast majority of the citizens, rather than a loud minority who wish to insulate our town from the outside world. A well-managed vacation rental program provides needed additional income to our business community, our residents, and keeps Tiburon as an open community rather than a walled garden. Let's focus on the real problems of our community and keep our limited resources focused on those rather than implementing radical, over -reaching regulations that limit our rights. Warmly, Cleveland Justis 322 Karen Way, Tiburon 1 To: Tiburon Town Council, Mayor Frank Doyle and Vice Mayor Erin Tollini From: 2280 Mar East Street, Tiburon, CA Re: Vacation Rental Ordinance Date: August 29, 2015 We are sending this letter to the Tiburon Town Council to voice our opposition to the repeal of the 2010 ordinance banning local vacation rentals. As long time Tiburon and lifelong area residents, we strongly encourage the Town Council, Mayor Frank Doyle and Vice Mayor Erin Tollini to reconsider their vote to reverse, and adopt the ordinance change for the following reasons. First, the Town is not able to police compliance with the ordinance, put regulations in place to control the rentals, and does not have adequate resources to enforce the existing regulations. To illustrate this problem with compliance and policing, at the time of the 08/19/15 hearing, almost none of the 56 Tiburon homes, listed for rental, had proper permits. Stricter penalties, as suggested at the Council meeting, will not remedy a system that is broken. Second, residents are not attempting to restrict access to Tiburon, but merely want to preserve and protect our residential neighborhood. Zoning exists for a reason. Keeping business and residential areas clearly defined exists for good cause in all towns, cities, and neighborhoods. Putting a commercial establishment (ie. short term rental) next to a personal residence does not work. This is evidenced by the negative impact these short term rentals have on the resident's right to the peaceful enjoyment of their property. Issues such as excessive noise, parking congestion and a general lack of respect for Tiburon residents are a direct result of the vacation rentals. No Tiburon resident wants to restrict access to our Community. We all willingly share our unique area with tourists and San Francisco residents alike. This is clearly evident by a walk down Main Street or Ark Row on Friday nights. However, preserving the integrity of Tiburon for all to enjoy, is the responsibility of the Town Council, Mayor, Vice Mayor and Town's residents. Again, we strongly ask the Tiburon Town Council, Mayor Doyle and Vice Mayor Tollini to reconsider their vote, and vote to repeal the renting ordinance. Any questions, please feel free to call us at (415) 515-6446. We will look forward to sharing our opinion with other Tiburon residents at the September 2, 2015 meeting. Sincerely, D ECClHH AUG 31 2016 Charles and Mik Flynn TOWN CLERK TOWN OF TIBURON Diane Crane Iacopi From: 'ent: . o: Subject: 64(e, is-- Peggy Curran Tuesday, September 01, 2015 8:58 AM Diane Crane Iacopi; Dan Watrous FW: Short term Rental issue From: Thomson, Brent[mailto:Brent.Thomson(@pacunion.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 6:32 AM To: Peggy Curran Subject: Short term Rental issue LATE MAIL # /4_ D HEM _SE' -. 1 nib TOWN CLERK TOWN OF TIBURON Good morning Peggy, understand the issue of short term rentals in Tiburon is being discussed and voted on this evening. I'd like to add my voice to others who are opposed to this. While I think homeowners should be allowed to make decisions regarding their "asset" I would suggest that there needs to be some consideration given to the neighborhood as well. We already do this with design review, view ordinance etc. I have experienced firsthand having VRBO and Airbnb rentals on my street. There were anonymous people coming and going, often 2-3 different groups in one week. I am blessed to live on Mar East, one of the most exquisite and unique .ommunities in Marin! But as you know our homes are quite close together and parking is tight. In spite of the "density" issue everyone is optimally considerate of each other and make those factors a non -issue. Enter in people unfamiliar with the area who pay high prices for a few nights in a magical place and the lack of concern for others and awareness in general is disruptive. The bottom line from my perspective is this model does not work in residential communities. Homeowners who are looking to monetize their "asset" through participating in the short term rental market risk reducing the desirability of their home and neighborhood. You needn't look too far to understand anything born out of greed is destined to fail. I wish I were able to attend this evening but please include this letter as another opinion on this issue. Most sincerely, Brent Thomson 2390 Mar East St Tibuton 1 Diane Crane Iacopi From: Alice Fredericks <alice@alicefredericks.net> 'ent: Monday, August 31, 2015 5:38 PM o: Diane Crane Iacopi Subject: FW: Short Term (Vacation) Rentals/Air BnB From: Tim Geraghty <tg53@ntrs.com> Date: Monday, August 31, 2015 at 5:04 PM To: Alice Fredericks <alice@alicefredericks.net> Cc: "Susan Geraghty (stgeraghty@comcast.net)" <stgeraghty@comcast.net> Subject: FW: Short Term (Vacation) Rentals/Air BnB Alice: SEP1 'iii1�. -CU15 TOWN CLERK TOWN OF TIBURON NTAC:311S-20 We feel that individual property owners should be able to do with their own private property whatever they wish to do --within reason. Provided nothing is done to change the look/feel of the neighborhood (i.e. signage, street parking, etc.), then short term rentals should be allowed, but some reasonable limits need to apply (i.e. no more than 6 different rentals totaling a maximum of 60 days per year.) Thanks, The Geraghtys 6 Turtle Rock Court Tiburon, CA 94920 Diane Crane Iacopi From: Frank Doyle <standingstone@sbcglobal.net> 'ent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 8:57 AM o: Diane Crane Iacopi Subject: Fwd: Right to make use of our home One more just in case it didn't come across to the town Thanks Frank Dear Tiburon Mayor, Vice Mayor and Counsel members ll SEP _1«"I TOWN CLERK TOWN OF TIBURON We have been following with increasing concern the news regarding short term rentals in Tiburon. As we understand it: 1. Some people in Tiburon have been renting their homes for less than 30 days without permits 2. A handful of those rentals have resulted in disturbances where the police needed to be contacted 3. The Town of Tiburon wants to better manage those disturbances going forward 4. However, instead of focusing on a handful of bad apples, the Town Counsel voted to penalize the thousands of well behaved and fully law abiding homeowners of Tiburon by taking away their right to rent their homes if they want or need to do so. 5. This would not only make it illegal to do a once or twice a year rental when you are yourself on vacation or traveling 6. If we understand this correctly it would also make it impossible to allow people to use their Tiburon home for other short term rental purposes such as weddings, photoshoots, filming, many philanthropic activities etc. We just don't see why every Tiburon homeowner should be penalized in this across the board way. We also have read postings including by members of your committee in which the position is stated that even though this ban will be on the books, it will not be enforced. We don't like the idea that we will need to BREAK THE LAW in order to use our property. Once the law is on the books, any law abiding citizen of Tiburon is put into a terrible dilemma - accept the "blind eye" of the counsel and town police while breaking the law, or not do something that was always a fully permitted right of home ownership in the USA. 1. In our case, we bought our house twenty years ago always believing that as we moved into retirement and had more time to travel, we would do so by renting homes abroad and renting our our own home at the same time to cover those costs 2. We have also considered using our gardens as a location for people wanting to hold weddings on a summer weekend in beautiful Tiburon 3. While we have not yet done so, this was part of our long term plan - a way to keep living in Tiburon when our incomes reduce 1 4. And we knew that this was fully legal in the Town of Tiburon as it is in most towns in America If you ban outright short term rentals, we believe you will be greatly harming us, our family, and hundreds of other families in Tiburon We don't know what our recourse would be, and frankly we don't want to need to find out PLEASE, vote to greatly increase enforcement of the disturbance of the peace laws already on the books. PLEASE by all means increase fines for homeowners who allow their houses to be used in a way that disturbs neighbors. And only if absolutely necessary, create some sort of ban on short term rental only properties (properties which are not lived in by the owner for at least nine or ten or so months a year. BUT DO NOT strip away our property rights, create substantial harm to us, and make it impossible for us to retire gracefully in the way we had planned Thank you Yours sincerely, Matthew Matthew C. Le Merle Managing Partner FIFTH ERA KEIRETSU • CAPITAL Fifth Era: mlemerle@fifthera.com Keiretsu Capital: rnatthew@keiretsucapital.com Home: mlemerle(a) imail.com Tel: +1 (415) 997 9937 www.fifthera.com www.keiretsucapital.com Frank X. Doyle 1 415-793-5188 1 frankstandingstonearoup.com www_frankxdoyle.com 2 Diane Crane Iacopi From: Frank Doyle <standingstone@sbcglobal.net> 'ent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 8:07 AM Co: Diane Crane Iacopi Subject: Fwd: Concerned Families_.. Short Term Rental Ban is a Family Dream Killer.... Can we add this to the packet for tomorrow? Begin forwarded message: EC E 11 SEP _ 1 LU15 TOWN CLERK TOWN OF TIBURON From: Shannon Phillips<shannon(@.pacgrowth.apps4rent.info> Subject: Concerned Families... Short Term Rental Ban is a Family Dream Killer.... Date: September 1, 2015 1:03:44 AM PDT To: "frank@standingstonegroup.com" <frank(cr�standingstonegroup.com> Dear Mr Doyle, We have been loyal Tiburon residents for 13 years. We DO NOT support the ban on short-term rentals. It is a family dream killer. Please reverse this ban. It is extremely expensive to live in Tiburon. We have two kids at Reed and we plan to travel with our kids for two to .free weeks a year when they are on Summer break to expose them to different cultures and languages. The only way we can afford to do this is to lease our home as a short term rental when we take our kids. Your ban will destroy our families dream and plan to teach and show our kids other cultures. We urge you to reverse this ban. This ban is a dream killer. We have spoken extensively to our friends, neighbors and families that live in Tiburon and all are in agreement, not one person out of over 32 of our personal friends and family support the ban. I also understand that other online Polls were done with Tiburon residents and over 70% DO NOT support the ban. This ban has stirred the community like I have never seen before and it needs to be reversed. Please do not destroy our family and other families dreams and opportunities because of a few bad apples. A Concerned Tiburon Family, The Phillips Family 415-505-7185 Frank X. Doyle 1 415-793-5188 1 frankastandinastonegroun.com www.frankxdoyle.com 1 Diane Crane Iacopi From: Peggy Curran 'ent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 8:46 AM Diane Crane Iacopi; Dan Watrous Subject: FW: Vacation Rentals From: Mark Dickinson [mailto:weflyswa©comcast.net] Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 7:55 PM To: Peggy Curran Subject: Vacation Rentals Dear Council -members, I am writing to you today to add our No vote to vacation rentals in the town of Tiburon. As you are all aware, we have a unique, quaint paradise of a town. With that, however, comes homes that are close together with limited space and privacy issues. People that are not local, or don't have a vested interest in the community )metimes lack the respect that is required to live in that type of environment. As a former Point Tiburon Bayside resident, I can tell you that it was almost always worse living next to a renter than to someone who actually owned the property. While I'm also sure that a good amount of people would be respectful to the neighbors and to the area, another portion would not. There will be noise complaints, and possible devaluation of properties next to units that offer permanent vacation rental status. In a sense, you would be allowing "hotels" to be placed in residential zones. Here is a related article about how this is already happening in Southern California: http://www. ocreei ster. com/articles/house-68 0044-ereenbera-nei ahbors.html I ask that you put a stop to this practice before it becomes too big of a problem, and I thank you for your efforts. Respectfully, Mark & Shauna Dickinson 2322 MAR EAST ST. 1 HEM SEP --11 TOWN CLERK TOWN OF TIBURON Print Article: Santa Ana vacation rental house becoming Animal Hous... http://www.ocregister.com/common/printer/view.php?db=ocregister&... ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER Santa Ana vacation rental house becoming Animal House, neighbors say BY JESSICA KWONG 2015-08-29 11:49:04 SANTA ANA — Every time someone new moves into West Floral Park, a tight -knit community in the northern tip of Santa Ana with many vintage houses, tree -shaded streets and abundant lawns, members of its neighborhood association approach with a basket of goodies and encourage them to attend their meetings. When neighbors reached out to Sarah Greenberg, who purchased a home at 2239 N. Rosewood Ave. in May, they learned she planned to live there with her 14 -year-old daughter. But in the weeks to come, neighbors didn't recognize the people they saw going in and out of the house. Often, the new faces came by the van or truckload, throwing pool parties and staying up until 2 a.m. Neighbors said they sometimes heard the visitors discussing their sight-seeing plans, such as Disneyland. Next-door neighbor Diego Matzkin, 45, took to the Internet and found the home listed on VRBO and Homeaway — short-term rentals sites — being advertised as a newly remodeled, six -bedroom "Anaheim House" able to sleep 22 people and "centrally located to all attractions, restaurants, shopping malls and close to freeway 22, 5, 60, 55, 91 and 405." The vacation home -type operation seemed illegal to Matzkin, and upon looking up Santa Ana's municipal code stating hotels are defined as more than five rooms and not permitted in the residential zone, he reported it to code enforcement. Still, the groups kept showing up. "One day we had one of these really loud groups show up and we actually had to move bedrooms to the other side of house," Matzkin said. Another resident on the block, Santa Ana Planning Commissioner Bruce Bauer, 51, emailed Greenberg to point out she was illegally running a "hotel" in the neighborhood, and she replied she had consulted with her attorney and changed her vacation rental to five bedrooms. The Homeaway listing was modified with the reduced room count and location as Santa Ana. Greenberg faced her up -in -arms neighbors at an administrative hearing Thursday in which she appealed two administrative citation fines for unpermitted property use and lack of a business license for the rental property. In her testimony, Greenberg said she began renting the house on a short-term basis "right after" purchasing it because her daughter begged not to live there and that neighbors were harassing her. Greenberg also claimed she was running a "lodging house" with Tess than six rooms and therefore not in violation of the municipal code. "Based on the municipal code, a hotel is more than five rooms in the house, and I don't have a receptionist," the Los Angeles resident said. "I don't rent each individual room, I rent the whole house." Independent administrative hearing officer Barbara Echan and Community Preservation manager Alvaro Nunez explained that using a complete house as temporary lodging, regardless of the number of rooms, is not permitted in the area, but Greenberg adamantly stuck to her stance. Though some Orange County cities have been dealing with a rash of complaints over short-term rentals, 1 of 2 9/1/2015 4:35 PN Print Article: Santa Ana vacation rental house becoming Animal Hous... http://www.ocregister.com/common/printer/view.php?db=ocregister&... such as the destination city of Laguna Beach, this dispute marks the first time in Santa Ana, according to City Manager David Cavazos. "I'm concerned about it, of course," Cavazos said. "Protecting our neighborhoods is important, and one of the ways is through zoning." Homeowners in the neighborhood have another concern on their minds — real estate values and their potential depreciation with the presence of the short-term rental. "It's cancerous," said Bill Schaefer, a real estate agent who lives about a block away from Greenberg's house, "and I don't want to see that happening in any neighborhood in Santa Ana." Neighbors pointed out Greenberg has two similar listings for homes in Anaheim on Homeaway and is a licensed real estate agent. "This is her business," Bauer said. Asked about her neighbors' conclusions around her background in real estate and short-term rentals operations, Greenberg told the Orange County Register: "Everything they say is not true." Echan, who said she will issue a final decision within 10 days of Thursday, told Greenberg: "I would encourage you as a homeowner to make peace with your neighbors as well." Contact the writer: Contact the writer: 714-796-7762, jkwonci ocregister.com or on Twitter: @JessicaGKwong ©Copyright 2015 Freedom Communications. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy 1 User Agreement 1 Site Map 2 of 2 9/1/2015 4:35 PN J Diane Crane Iacopi From: 'ent: +'o: Subject: Peggy Curran Tuesday, September 01, 2015 11:06 AM Diane Crane Iacopi; Dan Watrous FW: Bel Aire meeting prevents many from coming to Council meeting tomorrow night r$H SEP_1alio TOWN CLERK TOWN OF TIBURON Original Message ----- From: Ellen Sanford [mailto:ellen@sanfords.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 11:00 AM To: Peggy Curran Cc: dmccrohan(athearknewspaper.com Subject: Bel Aire meeting prevents many from coming to Council meeting tomorrow night Hello Town Council, The Bel Aire Back To School night prevents many parents from being available to attend the Council meeting tomorrow night, September 2. As such, I am writing to ask you to PLEASE RESCIND YOUR BAN! My husband and I have taken in our two grandsons to raise; we now have greatly increased expenses, and two more college tuitions to save for. In order to take vacations, we have twice relied upon doing home exchanges, through HomeExchange.com. We have had wonderful experiences, and our "trading partners" took as good of care of our home as we did with theirs. It would be really a shame for my family if we could no longer do this. Sincerely, Ellen and Walter Sanford 49 Seafirth Place, Tiburon 1 Diane Crane Iacopi From: Peggy Curran Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 11:45 AM Diane Crane Iacopi; Dan Watrous Subject: FW: Air BnB From: Karen Rasmussen[mailto:rasmussen.karen(agene.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 11:16 AM To: Peggy Curran Cc: Karen Rasmussen Subject: Air BnB To: Tiburon Town Council From: Karen Rasmussen, Tiburon Resident Re: Air BnB SE' - '1 ZUlb TOWN CLERK TOWN OF TIBURON I would like to let you know that I am not in favor of banning airbnb rentals in Tiburon. As a resident of this -)wn and an airbnb user around the world, I know how wonderful the experience of living like a local can be. Please do not legislate for the few (those who would be loud, raucous short-term tenants); please consider the benefit to the many. Air BnB rentals can be a wonderful source of income, especially for older individuals who live in desirable locations. These rentals also allow families to visit our beautiful area without the astronomical expense and inconvenience of staying in a hotel. Please reconsider your proposal to ban Air BnB rentals. Respectfully, Karen Rasmussen Tiburon resident Karen Rasmussen Achiever Relator Responsibility Developer Input Division Sales Manager, Genentech Rheumatology ' Genentech 1 DNA Way, S. San Francisco, CA 94080 1 Diane Crane Iacopi From: lent: Subject: Peggy Curran Tuesday, September 01, 2015 1:11 PM Diane Crane Iacopi; Dan Watrous FW: Short-term Rental Regulations From: Marilyn Geary [mailto:marilyngearycomcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 12:27 PM To: Peggy Curran Subject: Short-term Rental Regulations Dear Tiburon Town Council Member, D SEP -1 ZU15 TOWN CLERK TOWN OF TIBURON As a newcomer to Tiburon, I've noticed that the downtown lacks vibrancy, especially on weekdays. Restricting short-term rentals does not favor local merchants, nor does it align with the Destination:Tiburon campaign. Airbnb, VRBO and similar outfits are the go -to venues for many iternational travelers. Such lodging is often much more commodious than a hotel room and gives travelers a chance to discover what it's like to live like a local. Complaints about disruptive behavior and illegal parking have provided much of the spark behind the proposed short-term rental prohibition, yet such complaints are the purview of the Tiburon police force, which through proper enforcement can cull out the bad apples from the barrel. It's disturbing that town resources will not be available to monitor the proposed short-term rental restrictions. Enforcement will be based on neighbor complaints. This type of enforcement can destroy neighborly residential communities, encouraging the kind of surveillance and paranoia common to fascist states. Would such complaints be anonymous? I hope not, but either way, animosity is bound to result. If neighbors have complaints regarding parking and disorderly behavior, the Tiburon police are meant to handle them. Short-term rentals do not cause those problems, per se. If short-term rental restrictions are to be mandated, they need to be backed by appropriate enforcement measures rather than an informal complaint process that breeds distrust and enmity between neighbors. Please consider again the short-term rental prohibition. Thank you, Marilyn Geary 1 ;1 Diane Crane Iacopi From: Dan Watrous gent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 1:53 PM fo: Diane Crane Iacopi; Peggy Curran; Scott Anderson Subject: FW: Please forward the Council members Original Message From: Linda Emberson jmailto:wildthing95060@yahoo.coml Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 1:45 PM To: Dan Watrous Subject: Please forward the Council members SEP _1 ZU1) TOWN CLERK TOWN OF TIBURON 1 Dear Councilmembers, I am very unhappy that three council members have decided to expropriate the community's property rights rather than create a solution to disturbances of the peace. It seems by banning short term rentals the Town is putting the interests of a vocal minority's over the property values and interests of the vast majority. Please follow the Nextdoor web page for 'Should Airbnb Rentals be Allowed' for substantiation of this statement. I strongly urge the three council members who voted to ignore public sentiment to change their vote to be aligned with public opinion and common sense. This is a problem that will not go away and deserves the Councils attention, rather than a knee jerk reaction. Don't -riminalize a relatively small group of people who mindfully, quietly and occasionally rent out their rooms to overnight guests. Tackle the problem please,don't outlaw it and hope it will go away. Sincerely, Linda Emberson Sent from my iPhone 1 ' Diane Crane Iacopi From: ant: o: Cc: Subject: Attachments: Dan Watrous Tuesday, September 01, 2015 4:47 PM Diane Crane Iacopi Scott Anderson FW: How the Tiburon council can show leadership on the issue of short-term rentals Nextdoor Poll.pdf; ATT00001.htm LATE MAIL # AT-) . PL L IN /(// /L /7,4,/iJci. 0 From: Colin Crawford[mailto:colincrawford(&gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 4:37 PM To: Councilmember Jim Fraser; Councilmember Alice Fredericks; frank(&standingstonegroup.com; Vice Mayor Erin ToIlini; Councilmember O'Donnell Cc: Peggy Curran; Dan Watrous; Colin Crawford Subject: How the Tiburon council can show leadership on the issue of short-term rentals To the members of Tiburon Council, The debate on banning short-term rentals has sparked a lot of passionate debate. Since I placed the poll on Nextdoor.corn on August 8th nearly 300 people have voted (78% against the ban) and there have been over 200 comments - from 50-60 different residents. For your reference I enclose a copy of the discussion (to 4PM Tuesday 1st Sept) with the comments expanded. (warning - it is nearly 80 pages ! ) 1 _2 Nib TOWN CLERK TOWN OF TIBURON Diane Crane Iacopi From: Peggy Curran ent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 4:58 PM l'o: Diane Crane Iacopi; Dan Watrous Subject: FW: Opposition to Short Term Rentals in Tiburon for the Sept 2 Meeting From: Magdalena Yesil[mailto:magdalena.yesil@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 4:06 PM To: towncouncil@townoftiburon.orq; Peggy Curran; Peggy Curran; Magdalena Yesil Subject: Opposition to Short Term Rentals in Tiburon for the Sept 2 Meeting Dear Town Council Members, SEP —2 aU i b TOWN CLERK TOWN OF TIBURON I am writing to voice my opposition to short term rentals in Tiburon, based on my personal experiences with a short term rental next door to our house at 2306 Mar East, Tiburon. Several years ago, when our next door neighbor who had recently moved to Utah asked us for our permission to int his house on VRBO, we did not think long and said yes. After all, he was a wonderful neighbor and friend, a very responsible person, and we liked the prospect of meeting people from all around the world who would visit our neighborhood. Plus we wanted our neighbor to make money, and wanted to keep the opportunity to make money ourselves at sometime in the future. Our support of a VRBO changed quickly as the reality of having short term renters next door set in. I want to stress that our neighbor was extremely responsible in the way he rented his house, just like many Tiburon residents have said they are or will be if short term rentals are allowed. He did everything right. He emailed us before every renter showed up, giving us some background, he let them know the rules, like no noise after a certain hour, no parties, no visitors, limiting the number of people who could stay overnight, etc. The house was well signed for garbage and parking. He made sure all his renters knew to respect the neighbors. The only thing he did not do was be on the premises to enforce his rules. But even though he was not here, we were next door, just 15 feet away. The VRBO kicked off with two "responsible and professional female attorneys from SF renting for the weekend". I was excited to meet them, even chilled a bottle of wine to take over. It turns out, the attorneys had rented the house to host a bachelorette party, or as one of the supporters of the VRBO said during the last Council meeting on the issue -- not a party but a gathering. In this case, a bachelorette gathering. I will not take more time to tell you of the many situations we were exposed to, situations that really do not belong in a residential neighborhood that is close built, like ours. With the landlord not present to enforce the rules, the best laid rules and contracts become completely ineffective. Furthermore, without local knowledge of the winds and ';des, visitors who are staying at an AirBandB or VRBO can create hazardous situations for neighboring -properties. There is a reason why zoning rules exist. I believe, based on my personal experience, that Tiburon Town 1 Council should vote to disallow rentals shorter than 31 days and BandBs and other hotel type short term rentals should be kept out of residential zones. We have commercial zones for them. '=.ven the best meaning landlords cannot monitor the behavior of short term occupants who are paying a lot of .noney per night to rent a beautiful Tburon home. They want to live it up, and get their money's worth, but their "living it up for a few days" is at the expanse of Tiburon residents who choose to live there full time. When people like short-term renters do not have to face their neighbors on the street, and instead feel anonymous, their behavior seems to change for the inconsiderate and unabashed, especially when they feel they are paying top dollar to enjoy themselves. This fantasy behavior does not belong in our residential neighborhoods. Please keep our residential zones residential. In addition to effecting our day to day life in Tiburon, AirBandB and VRBO type short term rentals run the risk of negatively effecting the resale values of homes, which are based on the peaceful character of our residential neighborhoods. Most people who are attracted to buy in Tiburon do not want to buy and live next to a BandB or VRBO. Trading off short term rental gain at the expense of quality -of -life and long term resale gain is not good for our Town. Thank you for your time and attention, Magdalena Yesil 2306 Mar East St. 2 Diane Crane Iacopi From: Matthew Le Merle <mlemerle@gmail.com> ent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 10:05 AM o: Councilmember O'Donnell; Councilmember Jim Fraser; Councilmember Alice Fredericks; frank@standingstonegroup.com; Ely Daniel Rincon Chacin;ia�i nEEeni IIc�pi 5 Cc: Alison Davis Ill 13 5 Subject: Re: Right to make use of our home Dear Tiburon Council and Town Manager SEP _ 2 1U15 TOWN CLERK TOWN OF TIBURON J As we have been thinking about tonight's meeting, it has occurred to us that the most productive discussion is what will happen next, and how to ensure that Tiburon eventually gets to the best outcome, while avoiding the escalating, costly and risky environment that is developing in many similar US communities. We have heard that you might be considering leaving your vote unchanged (we would still favor a revote against the short term rental ban), and instead may decide to place a delay on implementation while you conduct further analysis of what would be best for Tiburon. To ensure that you eventually implement a solution that: 1. Ensures the preservation of the positive attributes of the town including eliminating the worst 'bad apples" of today and ensuring we do not resemble a low quality "party town" 2. Is a solution that is implementable and enforceable at reasonable cost within the exiting town resources 3. Avoids pitting resident against resident, or resident against town and town employees c. Protects the existing rights of the individuals who live in Tiburon 5. Does not encourage residents to become law breakers, and does not worsen the status quo through adverse selection 6. Creates the most revenue/profit for the town 7. Etc. If you went this path, we would volunteer to assist with the work of the corning year (we are both former practice leaders for the world's leading management consulting firms), as we are sure would a significant number of qualified Tiburon residents. What we would need to do includes: 1. Assess the causes of disturbances of the peace in Tiburon and determine the dynamics that lead to them 2. Determine why the current resident/police process does not effectively address the most extreme and frequent cases today, regardless of source 3. Examine processes that other communities use to better manage disturbances of the peace regardless of source 't. Evaluate best practices in the US for managing a permitting process around short term rentals and assess _.xpw Tiburon could maximize compliance and revenue going forward (a permitting process would need to work) i 5. Conversely, evaluate best practices in the US where short term rental bans have been enforced and determine the costs (and benefits) to the town of those best practices 6. Examine Tiburon neighborhoods and types of lots and housing stock to determine where short term rentals .night lead to disturbances of the peace (or Health and Safety related concerns) versus those where such linkages are unlikely and/or can not be proven - (this is particularly important in this legal environment since the cases that are being settled by judges in favor of property owners and which require towns to overturn their short term bans normally rest on this issue - the judges say the town has not proven the linkage for all properties effected) 7. Keep track of the legal process across the US and determine what precedents are being set and what cases are being won and lost - (If Tiburon has not implemented its ban, it has not harmed anyone, and so cases can not be brought - we would watch from the sidelines for the corning year before acting and could not be brought into costly class action suits that are being filed across the state and country) 8. Survey Tiburon citizens to determine their perspectives and preferences 9. And so on There is a lot of work that would need to be done, but by doing it proactively and voluntarily, the Town would be well placed to make and support its decision at the end of next year. Much of this work will be required anyhow should even one legal case be brought against the Town for inplementing a short term rental ban without an analysis of the causes of health and safety issues and the demonstration of how taking away short term rental property rights does or does not resolve those issues in the case of specific properties. We feel something like this would have great merit: 1. Leaves the short term rental ban on the books pending implementation 2. Allows a period for further analysis before implementation 3. Ensures that whatever is implemented benefits Tiburon fully (right solution, properly implemented, with best practices, to generate most benefits and least costs) 4. Insulates Tiburon for the coming period from the costly, risky and disruptive legal cases that many other US communities are now being dragged into 5. Demonstrates that our town council is thoughtful and not prepared to be emotionally railroaded into solutions before the work has been done Please give this some consideration. We look forward to this evening's meeting Thank you Matthew Le Merle and Alison Davis Diane, please feel free to print this out and make available if it is not too late to do so 2 • Diane Crane Iacopi From: Peggy Curran lent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 1:15 PM i o: Dan Watrous; Diane Crane Iacopi Subject: FW: Adapt Ordinance No. 562 N. S. and Prohibit Seasonal Rental Units Margaret A. (Peggy) Curran Town Manager, Town of Tiburon 1505 Tiburon Boulevard Tiburon CA 94920 1 415.435.7383 From: Jim Wickett [mailto:jfwickettfIgmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 10:56 AM To: Peggy Curran; Scott Anderson Subject: RE: Adapt Ordinance No. 562 N. S. and Prohibit Seasonal Rental Units SLri — 2 LUlb TOWN CLERK TOWN OF TIBURON Dear Town Council, Unfortunately I will be out of town tonight when you discuss and vote on the Amendment to Chapter 16 to prohibit Seasonal Rental Units, but I wanted to express my strong support for adapting the new ordinance that prohibits these types of vacation rentals. For years, Tiburon residents have worked hard to make Tiburon the unique place it is today, with its strong . nse of community where residents participate in cultural events, educational projects in support of our children, and a whole array of civic affairs. I believe this sense of civic pride and camaraderie is a result of a strong neighborhood structure, which encourages people to know and participate in activities together. Tiburon is also known for welcoming visitors. It has a hotel infrastructure that is typically not at capacity, and a whole host of day -time events that draw visitors to our downtown. People who have bought homes here have done so to enjoy and participate in this ecosystem that is so unique to Tiburon, and NOT because they thought they could engage in short term vacation rentals of their home. As vacation rentals become more popular around the United States, it will have a negative effect on the community spirit Tiburon has worked so hard to build over the years. For all the reasons Tiburon is so great, people will start buying houses here to take advantage of this new form of hotel business, and many residents already living here will not be able to turn away the prospect of making extra dollars in this fashion, even though that was not part of their reason for initially moving here. All of this will work to reduce the "magic" that is Tiburon today. Economically, this translates into reduced property values and making it harder to sell one's home due to a prospective buyer's fear that the house next door will end up becoming a vacation rental. And when homes are increasingly rented, the services of our police and possibly our fire departments will increase at a corresponding rate, such that we will all be exposed to more loud sirens at night, not to mention increased costs. Because Tiburon is so perfectly suited for widespread vacation rentals is exactly the reason why we should be opposed to it! I understand that some of our residents would like to make extra dollars by renting their home in this fashion, but I would suggest to the Council that that was not part of the equation when they acquired their house, and in fairness they should not be allowed to do that at the expense of their neighbors and the tax -paying hotel business we have developed. I respectfully urge you to repeal the 2010 ordinance permitting less than 30 day ntals in Tiburon, and adapt Ordinance No. 562 N. S. Sincerely, Jim Wickett 2306 Mar East, Tiburon 1 • Diane Crane Iacopi From: 3ent: ro: Subject: Alice Fredericks <alice@alicefredericks.net> Wednesday, September 02, 2015 1:23 PM Diane Crane Iacopi FW: URGENT MESSAGE From: Cathleen Gouveia <cathleengouveia@gmail.com> Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 1:15 PM To: Alice Fredericks <askalicenowPusa.net> Subject: URGENT MESSAGE Dear Alice, I just read that there is to be a vote on the AIRBNB Topic tonight at 7:30pm. D VIS V E SEP -2 ZUth TOWN CLERK TOWN OF TIBURON Is it possible to reschedule this hearing as tonight is BACK TO SCHOOL NIGHT. Many of us who oppose the Short Term Rentals do oppose due to the safety of our children and the security of our town. This group will not be in attendance. Cathleen Cathleen Gouveia; Allied ASID, IIDA Design Principal Cathleen Gouveia Design P.O. Box 1033 Tiburon, CA 94920 Tel. (San Francisco): 415.203.8663 Tel. (Lake Tahoe): 530.386.7832 Fax: 888.908.1634 www.gouveiadesian.com This message is intended for the sole use of the individual and entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended addressee, nor authorized to receive for the intended addressee, you are hereby notified that you may not use, copy, disclose or distribute to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. if you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete the message. Thank you. 1 Diane Crane Iacopi From: ;ent: fo: Subject: Alice Fredericks <alice@alicefredericks.net> Wednesday, September 02, 2015 1:27 PM Diane Crane Iacopi FW: Tiburon Mom's Point of View From: Cathleen Gouveia <cathleengouveia@gmail.com> Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 1:24 PM To: Alice Fredericks <askalicenow@usa.net> Subject: Tiburon Mom's Point of View 1 SLP _2 Lu10 --1 TOWN CLERK TOWN OF TIBURON 1. Tiburon is a quiet, peaceful residential community. We don't feel we have to lock doors as we know our neighbors, and we know the community to be safe. Do we want strangers in our midst and the town to become an international tourist destination with vagrants we cannot hold accountable for stolen property and other damage? 2. Tiburon has at least two Targe hotels to accommodate short term vacationers. There are hundreds in the Marina just over the bridge, and several around Marin county for yacht and tennis clubs. Do we really want the million dollar properties next door to become a series of hotels? What about our children, will they be safe from sex offenders and others? 3. The Cove at Tiburon allows short term rentals. When you say "short term rental" do you also mean a short term lease and to what extent? Must The Cove lease only six month terms, annual terms? And while on the subject, how often can that rent be raised within terms? What is a "flexible term", and will that no longer be flexible? 4. Do property insurance policies/leases cover AirBnB/tourists against vandalism, noise, and other disturbances to peaceful enjoyment? Do the short term renters/homeowners know State Laws? If local police and other resources are used to enforce them, are people okay with the short term rental society moving in, and the locals moving out requiring even more regulation and support from police? How do you enforce laws in Europe and elsewhere? 5. Clearly, people are renting out rooms or homes to pay a mortgage they cannot or do not wish to pay when they are not there and to offset taxes. Rental prices and mortgages are at an all time high. I think it is high time to get real about the standard of living vs. what is being offered...likely the junkiest parts of the million dollar homes, or properties that may not be "prime'. This hurts the building trade, and ultimately affects tax revenue leading to a general state of dilapidation. 6. Our schools are crowded. Some people lease in Tiburon with property elsewhere just to avoid the cost of private schools or public schools elsewhere. Who is going to monitor the re-leasing aspects of short term rentals and those using improper addresses to access our schools? 7. We have problems with our one way in and one way out roads. We have a set number of residents and businesses using those roads. If houses suddenly allow tourists to lease several rooms in a property, traffic increases. Do we really want that? Do we want our roads flooded with rent a cars and people who don't care about the mess they leave behind? 8. Do we want Tiburon to turn into Sausalito with rented bikes throughout? 9. Do we want Tiburon to be a mecca of strangers, or remain the tight knit community (Mulberry Street on Rodeo Drive) it has been for years? Will you allow drive through fast food restaurants, Starbucks, mass retailers to cater to the influx of visitors or do you prefer long lines of tourists? 10. Why would you want to take revenue from hotels and motels who are in the business of catering to transcient folks in a more formal setting with the proper parking, insurance, customer forms, and traceable mechanisms for any damage reported? Those businesses have been here for years, and they deserve the customer base. ' agree with the Town Council that Tiburon is not a commodity, and should not be treated without regard to those not in favor to protect the standard of living they invested in to begin with. I believe the safety of our children is tantamount to those seeking alternative revenue streams. I also believe that the town should protect it's own assets and services, and find a way to use the local hotels and motels to attract a set number of strangers for the sake of our roads, parking spaces, lines and cues, and to support the local building trades versus the vagrant rental trade. EditDelete Cathleen Gouveia; Allied ASID, IIDA Design Principal Cathleen Gouveia Design P.O. Box 1033 Tiburon, CA 94920 Tel. (San Francisco): 415.203.8663 Tel. (Lake Tahoe): 530.386.7832 Fax: 888.908.1634 www.gouveiadesign.com This message is intended for the sole use of the individual and entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended addressee, nor authorized to receive for the intended addressee, you are hereby notified that you may not use, copy, disclose or distribute to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete the message. Thank you. 2 Diane Crane lacopi From: Peggy Curran ;ent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 2:39 PM Co: binzer@gmail.com Subject: FW: Letter to all Town Council Members to urge them to keep short term rentals in Tibuon legal Hello, Mr. Binzer, Thank you for taking the time to share your views on this topic. Your email will be provided to the Town Council as late mail. Best regards,II D fEllUE Peggy V SEP -2'LU'� Margaret A. (Peggy) Curran TOWN CLERK Town Manager, Town of Tiburon TOWN OF TIBURON 1505 Tiburon Boulevard Tiburon CA 94920 1 415.435.7383 From: Ulrik Binzer [mailto:] Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 1:59 PM To: Peggy Curran Subject: Letter to all Town Council Members to urge them to keep short term rentals in Tibuon legal Dear Esteemed Tibuon Town Council Members, My name is Ulrik Binzer and my family and I live on Corinthian Island in downtown Tiburon. We have lived here for 1 and we have been sharing our home with guests through AirBnB and VRBO for the past 2 years. We are writing to ask you to support the passage of reasonable legislation that will protect considerate home sharir and NOT ban it outright as some have suggested. Specifically I encourage you to come up with legislation that allow to share our homes to reasonable and quiet people like ourselves as opposed to banning the entire practice of hom of a few specific incidents at a few specific houses or the fear of Tiburon turning into a defacto hotel overnight. To me this can be easily achieved by enacting simple, enforceable and economically feasible rules such as: • Requiring all hosts to have a permit (as is the case today) and enact a large fine ($1000 per day) to all hosts 1 advertising their homes on sites such as AirBNB and VRBO without having such a permit. Enforcing such a ru easy and potentially lucrative to the Town as the address has to be listed on all postings on these websites a and mapping functionality of the sites is such that all homes listed in Tiburon can be identified in minutes. • Make it a condition of all permits to include the specific language in their lease agreements and property de address the following topics: o The maximum amount of people allowed at the rental property at any given time is equivalent to thf permanently installed beds in the home (this way we can avoid guests having large parties) o All guests cars/motor cyles etc. must be parked either on the property's designated parking spaces o parking areas (this way we can avoid guests parking their cars in a way that it is inconvenient to the r o By leasing this property, the guest agrees to adhere to the Town of Tiburon's rules, regulations and c including the towns sound ordinance which can be found 1 here: https://www.municode.com/library/ca/tiburon/codes/code of ordinances?nodeld=TITVIPUHI 25-1NO (this way we can make sure that o All rentals are subsject to the 10% Transient Occupancy Tax (enforcing this is very easy as all of the re such as AirBNB and VRBO issue 1099's at the end of each year, and the Town should just make it a cc permit holders submit their 1099's when they want to renew their annual permit). o Any violation of the rules above can result in immediate eviction of the guest and a fine of no less thz By implementing sensible, enforceable and strict rules like the ones above, we avoid throwing the baby out with the the event hosts or guests are ever found to be in violation of the rules (which would be as easy as monitoring the b( permanent residents) the penalties would more than compensate the town's personnel for their time and effort. Home sharing is important to us because it allows our family generate supplemental income that makes it possible 1 with our 3 young boys during the summers. As an example, we rented out our house for about 4 weeks this summe us to take the boys to visit their cancer sick grandmother in Denmark. Without home sharing we would not have be the trip. This would have been a great loss not only for our kids but also for their grandmother as she given her cher regiment is unable to travel. Sharing our home with guests does not just benefit us and our family, it also contributes positively to the businesses which is only a 2 minute walk from our home. To be specific our guests spend a significant amount of money at the cafes, and boutiques downtown and we always make sure to give them specific recommendations to check out the exciting businesses in Ark Row, such as Don Antonio's and the new wine bar. These are businesses that would other many tourism dollars since they are not on the more visited part of Main Street llso, many of our guests are visiting my neighbors who do not have spare space in their own homes or attending w Hillary's or China Cabin. We have also hosted sailors who come to compete at the many races at the Corinthian anc Yacht Clubs, and who may not have been able to attend those great event's if it wasn't for affordable small group lc ours. As you consider the legislation currently proposed, I hope you take into account how important home sharing is to 1 reasonable and responsible hosts just like us, as well as the benefits our guests bring to our local businesses in dow this letter will inspire you to come up with a policy that works for all interested parties including the respectful host on the extra income to be able to make this beautiful town our home! Below, please also see a screenshot from the local Nextdoor social network from today at 1.45PM. Here you can se, 288 respondents (approximately 1/4 of the people who voted in the last Town Council election) are in favo of allow rentals with appropriate regulation (like the rules proposed by the Planning Commision or the ones listed above). A it is you duty to factor in the public opinion when you vote. Sincerely, Ulrik Binzer 2 LE AC c A F Poll: Should airbnb rentals be allowed in Belvedere J Tiburon ? Coin Crav,word -., Appears that Valley is to}ung a more sensible approach to airbnb activity than the Town o+ Tiburon which is attempting to ban such rentals completel_:.. http•Iv w rmarinij.com'government-and-po V/hile there can be disruption to residents and those who try and purchase properties just for airbnb rental - ! think it's better to establish reasonable rules which require registration. a modest license and tax on the revenues_. Should airbnb rentals be 4Iiowed in Belvedere Tiburon ? airbnb rentals should be allc'ved v.1th appropriate regulations airbnb rentals should be banned 3 Diane Crane lacopi From: lent: ro: Subject: Peggy Curran Wednesday, September 02, 2015 2:40 PM Teresa Ou RE: Letter to Town Council in Support of Keeping Short Term Rentals Legal Dear Ms. Ou: Thank you for taking the time to share your views on this topic. Your email will be provided to the Town Council as late mail. Best regards, Peggy Margaret A. (Peggy) Curran Town Manager, Town of Tiburon 1505 Tiburon Boulevard Tiburon CA 94920 1 415.435.7383 From: Teresa Ou [mailto:teresaou@ vahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 2:11 PM To: Peggy Curran Subject: Letter to Town Council in Support of Keeping Short Term Rentals Legal Dear Town Council Members, • L 11 SEP- 2 'alb TOWN CLERK TOWN OF TIBURON ,Vith 75% of the more than 285 votes cast on Nextdoor in favor of continuing to allow short term rentals with appropriate regulation (see attached), it would seem that the 3 esteemed members of the Tiburon Town Council who chose to ignore the same sentiment at the public hearing last week, should at least consider changing their vote to be aligned with the public opinion and common sense. Based on the lively debate on Nextdoor and at the last town council meeting it should by now be pretty obvious to all that a outright ban of rentals shorter than 30 days in Tiburon: - is against the will of the majority of citizens of this community - deprives the town's merchants from valuable business - is a major concern for the Yacht and Tennis clubs who will find it impossible to accomodate the many national and international competitors who participate in their many races and tournaments - is a violation of Tiburon's homeowners' property rights - removes the ability for young families and retirees to rent out their homes during their vacations, so they themselves can afford to travel - deprives the Town from Transient Occupancy Taxes - is unenforcable per the esteemed council members who voted for the ban - is totaly unneccesary as the town instead of banning short term rentals could simply require short term landlords to follow simple rules such as requiring adequate parking and requiring their renters to adhere to the town's noice ordinance etc. I therefore urge Alice Fredericks, Jan Fraser, and Emmett O'Donnell to reconsider their position on this topic and instead work with the other members of the Town Council and Planning Commision to ,ome up with a set of rules that works as opposed to implementing a ban that makes no sense, is unenforcable and borderline unconstitutional. Thanks. Teresa Ou :obile: 617 256 6627 -ax: 415 3661548 Professional Profile 2 Diane Crane Iacopi From: Peggy Curran lent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 2:55 PM ro: Cathy Benediktsson Subject: RE: Short term rentals Hi, Cathy: Thanks for writing on this issue. We will get your message to the Town Council. Best, Peggy Margaret A. (Peggy) Curran Town Manager, Town of Tiburon 1505 Tiburon Boulevard Tiburon CA 94920 1 415.435.7383 -----Original Message From: Cathy Benediktsson [mailto:cbenediktsson@mac.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 2:53 PM To: Peggy Curran Subject: Short term rentals I am opposed to short term rentals. If the zoning is residential neighbor hood, it is not commercial. I ECEIIVEI17) Sl'l� - WN CLERK TOW °` isuRoN . have had short term renters park behind my car in my driveway, leave piles of bottles, and the owners were unreachable. It is a problem. Thank you. CBenediktsson 1 Diane Crane Iacopi From: lent: ro: Subject: Peggy Curran Wednesday, September 02, 2015 4:20 PM howard ting RE: Airbnb ban C Tir, 11II sEp - 2 ZUh TOWN CLERK TOWN OF TIBURON Hello, Mr. Ting: Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this issue. We will provide your email to the Town Council. Best, Peggy Margaret A. (Peggy) Curran Town Manager, Town of Tiburon 1505 Tiburon Boulevard Tiburon CA 94920 1 415.435.7383 From: howardhtinggmail.com[mailto:howardhtingCn�gmail.com] On Behalf Of howard ting Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 3:57 PM To: Peggy Curran Subject: Airbnb ban I believe that the town of Tiburon should not ban usage of short-term rentals (including Airbnb) in Tiburon. )f course, I support any needed protocols or restrictions to have the broader community (and neighbors) feel safe and not feel that they are being endangered or harmed in any way. But a wholesale ban feels unreasonable to me. Good luck in your deliberations. 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View more Should airbnb rentals be allowed in Belvedere / Tiburon ? airbnb rentals should be allowed 78% with appropriate regulations airbnb rentals should be banned 22% VOTED 285 Shared with Del Mar + 12 nearby neighborhoods in General (/general/) © Nextdoor 2015 About (https://nextdoor.com/about_us/) Slog (https://blog.nextdoor.com) '-felines REPLY 237 ' James (/profile/28321/), Julie (/profile/31679/}, James (/profile/340091 others thanked you (i. ,is://nextdoor.com/neighborhood_guidelines/#guidelines) Help (https://nextdoor.com/help/) Jobs (https://nextdoor.com/jobs/) Privacy (https://nextdoor.com/privacy/#privacy) Press (https://nextdoor.com/press/) Safety (https://nextdoor.com/about_safety/#safety) A g)(/profile/624048) from Reedlands It sounds reasonable to have "appropriate" regulations, but th' matter is that the vast majority of homeowners who list their p1 Airbnb are not going through the appropriate channels and are not paying taxes, etc. See past articles in the Ark for the exact What's more, when a fine is levied, it is often minimal compare revenue that is generated from paying guests, so there is very disencitive for homeowners to discontinue their profitable, she leases. Thank Remove Alice (/profile/96528/), William (/profile/2225354/), Kindra (/prol others thanked Nichole (/profile/624048/) ( O§fjpi)(/profile/2784957) from Old Tiburon For what it costs to buy a home here, an airbnb host would ne their investment if that is all they bought the house for. There a many airbnb homes here anyway. I vote for laissez faire, as in 1 people live as they wish. Thanked! Remove You, James (/profile/28321/), Bill (/profile/34673/), and 4 other: (/profile/2784957/) (- AR og/03 9 (/profile/29201) from Del Mar k1 Personally I like to see a fair license fee say $50-100 per annul say 10% on gross rentals. I don't support a ban. Edit Delete Bill (/profile/34673/) thanked you (/, fi{ingglpn)(/profile/1391082) from Bel Aire/Cypress Holl And who should receive those revenues, and more importantly property owners will be paying their property taxes. Why shou town be "entitled" to tax and ask for license fees if someone out their home? As Kristine said, it is quite unlikely that people buying up Tiburon properties to make a killing in the rental pro industry. Thank Remove Bill (/profile/34673/), Gary (/profile/133279/), Matthew (/profile/ thanked Jeff (/profile/1391082/) Alogfrieggj (/profile/29201) from Del Mar lkso I think Airbnb rentals should be treated as a business and sub; rules of other business in the category. Edit Delete William (/profile/2225354/) and Rajiv (/profile/3574686/) thankE (/c Nrgg)n (/profile/1014468) from Old Tiburon I believe that Belvedere has a NO vacation rent policy in place check with City of Belvedere. Tiburon has a recent policy of at day stay requested in vacation rentals. Thank Remove (/ plgg pjrofile/99937) from Belvedere I think it says "no short term rentals" but does not say "no vac or "no event rentals" and legally renting on air b n b has differe so may legally be treated differently ... you know how law is wi Not sure but I dont think there is really strict enforcement cape place. Air BnB is probably safer than hotel guests anyway.... discretic as with most things. Still think people should be able to use th for business as noted by Colin. Thank Remove (/ jo2M/6gr., (/profile/2345624) from Paradise Drive Colin began this thread by talking about Airbnb and short terrr rentals However, the broader issue is that the US (and the world) is tre into an "on demand" workplace Increasingly, ... View more Thank Remove James (/profile/28321/), Bill (/profile/34673/), Jyll (/profile/2145 thanked Matthew (/profile/2345624/) 6294le/1569616) from Paradise Cay I agree with Jeff. Why do people automatically default to taxirn and get nothing back in return? Tiburon will not become anyth incidental rental market. The ROI is way too low. What will taxing and license fees get us? Nothing as far as I CC I've owned plenty of rental real estate. Please, let it be laissez faire Thank Remove Jyll (/profile/214503/) and Matthew (/profile/2345624/) thankec (/profile/1569616/) Zoe Sexton (/profile/99937) from Belvedere Riftagratgecnas being too much of an optimist! Entrepreneuri on optimism that's why entrepreneurs are so much fun to be a agree with Colin. I think people should get business licenses.. because we're all doing business out of our houses. Or don't business licenses but that doesn't make the city very happy d. Kind regards, Zoe Sexton Managing Director, Wealth Management I Institutional Service: Merriman Capital zsexton@merrimanco.com (mailto:zsexton@merrimanco.com) 415-248-5683 (o) 415-302-2554 (c) @zoesexton www.merrimancapital.com (http://www.merrimancapital.com) Thank Remove James (/profile/28321/) and Matthew (/profile/2345624/) thank (y (/profile/52834) from Belvedere Thanks for the post Alice. Yet some other bad ideas. Why doe need to get involved at all? I imagine there are already plenty c apply already, both criminal and civil if there are problems. Thank Remove Bill (/profile/34673/}, Matthew (/profile/2345624/), and Julie (/p thanked Cynthia (/profile/52834/) A1iNSygN(pirofile/5386246) from Belveron Agree with Cynthia. Thank Remove Bill (/profile/34673/) and Matthew (/profile/2345624/) thanked (/profile/5386246/) '�.-. wRyflIgiriegg (/profile/29201) from Del Mar 16.40 1 have no desire to pay more in taxes but if I run a consultancy from my home office I'm required to get a business license ( w - why should any other business out of home be treated diffen get anything from the business license fee I have to pay but I'\ if I want to operate under the local laws. So my position is that businesses - especially those that don't significantly impact n( should be treated similarly. I agree with the comments that oui changing and this is an opportunity to recognize that and find solution. Good discussion. Edit Delete William (/profile/2225354/) thanked you Kristine Peterson (/profile/2784957) from Old Tiburon (/}g$2,g)to tax garage sales and lemonade stands. W get is what will be achieved by regulating and taxing everyone nothing. \ Thank Remove Bill (/profile/34673/) and Matthew (/profile/2345624/) thanked! (/profile/2784957/) (/3kliiilM v(4IIS a/3574686) from Paradise Cay Lovely passionate debate.. some thoughts,my opinion; Pt1: If a corporation is going to generate revenue from a resou town, then shouldn't my town enjoy some income from that re different from owner/tenant or garage sale). Ofcource what the used for would be my concern... One would have to assume a that some of these taxes come back to improve the quality of town folk and perhaps reduce the overall tax burden. Pt 2: If my neighbor converts their 5 BR home into a hotel and multiple guests parking up and down my street and said guess unknown now stroll the streets, play their loud music on the df overlooking the neighborhood - all of which they would have e do ... Etc etc. seems like a problem to me. So my opinion - some boundaries may be required, can't be a Along with boundaries will come enforcement - paid by said t Tranquil Tiburon !! Thanked! Remove You, William (/profile/2225354/), and Julie (/profile/3915169/ tI (/profile/3574686)) Wtif 41ggi /profile/2819808) from Bel Aire/Cypress Holl( Thanks, Colin, for starting this thread. I agree with your origina and I hope that you'll share the results with the town. It seems is over -reacting to a couple of isolated and relatively minor cor Thanked! Remove You, Bill (/profile/34673/), Sheila (/profile/2091203/), and 2 oth( (/profile/2819808)) ( reygliffgg Uprofile/6191823) from Round Hill Colin, my husband would like to be included in your survey. H+ Nextdoor but would like to vote "airbnb rentals should be alio% appropriate regulations." - Thank you. Edited on 12 Aug Thank Remove viEtyfligezeggril (/profile/29201) from Del Mar 41► @Justis - Alice Fredericks is on this thread and she is really go monitoring the local sentiment so I'm sure she will take the col to the other council members. This is not a scientific survey but rather a snapshot of opinion Nextdoor members - but it does provide some overall sentime issue - it's good to have a forum such as this where people ca their opinions. It's one the reasons why I've been pushing the Tiburon to support Nextdoor in a more official capacity. We have the Town site but it's not geared up for commenting does not appear to want to embrace the digital era - so currer is the only place where a more open discussion can take place The total number of residents shown on Nextdoor for Belvede around 3,500. That's not an accurate number for a host of rea audience reach is still substantial and growing. Most of the ac Nextdoor is around "classifieds" but it's good to see it also be discussion platform for local issues that impact us all. Edit Delete Cynthia (/profile/52834/), Cleveland (/profile/2819808/), and Ell thanked you ( qfp4Iggal3f/profile/2819808) from Bel Aire/Cypress Holl( @Crawford - yes, I completely understand and agree. Thank Remove (/ fth►fHgrzeggrl (/profile/29201) from Del Mar The Town Council meets tonight to discuss this issue - to date members 0' Donnell, Fredericks and Fraser have said they we outright ban at this juncture. Details at http://ca- tiburon.civicplus.com/AgendaCe... (http://ca- tiburon.civicplus.cam/AgendaCenterNiewFile/Item/1295?filel if they decide to go ahead with the ban - I'm not sure this will I enforceable in practice unless there are major disturbances at being rented out. Edit Delete Lyndasue (/profile/1014468/) and Julie (/profile/4699743/) than (/12WelP4p (/profile/2345624) from Paradise Drive An outright ban on airbnb listings specifically or more generall' renting their homes for short term rentals while they are on vac working away from tiburon etc? If the later, how do you differentiate between a short term vacs and a short term rental? Will they be banning all rental propert tiburon? Or is there some term that is being banned (three mo while other terms are allowed (more than three months?). Or is vacations that are banned while rentals far people having their remodeled, going through a divorce, or on temporary work rel( Bay Area etc are allowed? And how do you differentiate between a short term vacation rE house swap? The former has a cash transaction involved while an exchange of value without cash involved? If controlling by site will tiburon patrol airbnb for rule breakers other home exchange and home rental sites of which there arE How about the back pages of the ark where real estate broker term rentals ? I think it is a slippery slope to chaos Thanked! Remove You, Bill (/profile/34673/), Cynthia (/profile/52834/), and 4 other (/profile/2345624/) (fithitiigiggggirj (/profile/29201) from Del Mar iik-# @Matthew - excellent list of questions which summarizes the trying to ban such activity for short-term rentals. I understand over airbnd properties being used for the business of rentals - few cases can be dealt with under current regulations. It seem and impractical and over reaching to regulate those wanting tc swap rooms or their properties for a few days a year. Edit Delete Cynthia (/profile/52834/), Sheila (/profile/2091203/), Danielle (/I other thanked you AyokigSgzgl (/profile/52834) from Belvedere Amen. Thank Remove (/Ryfllglizaiggicj (/profile/29201) from Del Mar 4k# So Tiburon Council has now decided to make short term rente can only enforce based on complaints because it does not hal resources to enforce the policy it has adopted. Do I have that Edit Delete (162 (/profile/2345624) from Paradise Drive It sounds from Alice's response that the issue is not short terry It is noisy parties, crowded parking and disturbances So presumably tiburon wants to better enforce our noise and c ordences across the board Can we start with the howling coyotes on ring mountain pleas( Thank Remove Bill (/profile/34673/), Linda (/profile/460174/), Kevin (/profile/14 thanked Matthew (/profile/2345624/) ( jj g ilggf yprofile/2819808) from Bel Aire/Cypress Holy Colin, can you please summarize for those of us unable to ma night's meeting? This is all so baffling. Thank Remove Ellen (/profile/3176948/) thanked Cleveland (/profile/2819808/) f _ (9lgirjegg0 (/profile/29201) from Del Mar .i► Unfortunately I was not there last night so only heard through attended. I'm sure The Ark will cover this extensively. As I und' the Town Council voted against allowing short-term rentals - a Sausalito's current policy as an example to justify the decision seemed to ignore Mill Valley's approach). The full minutes of tI will be available online in due course. I understand Belvedere policy against short-term rentals. However, the definition of short-term rentals is not entirely clef ruling mean that no-one in Tiburon can rent out a room or pro[ airbnb, VRBO, holiday house swapping etc. Is a holiday -let the different from a short-term rental. Clarification is needed. A quick review of VRBO for Sausalito properties shows over 71 and VRBO is just one of many short-term rental services. I'm t of regulations to prevent abuse, to protect the rights of local rE to ensure a tranquil Tiburon - but trying to over -regulate the oc room or short-term property rental seems complete overkill. Laws that are ignored and flaunted make a mockery of the sy: personally I believe the approach taken by the town is unenfor except in extreme situations where there are significant neigh': complaints. I'm not clear what the penalties for those who are caught igno will be. A simple approach would be to just focus on those properties are making rentals a business - and subject them to the normi rules, zoning and licenses and allow individuals to occasional': their rooms and properties without interference. In practice I believe this is what's going to happen anyway in ruling by the council. As noted by Matthew - the "just in time" or "sharing" economy Uber, airbnb etc. - there is too much momentum for it to go av regulators need to take responsibility and tackle the issues he; saying NO ! is not a long-term sustainable approach. Edited on 20 Aug Edit Delete Jason (/profile/40287/), Lyndasue (/profile/1014468/), and Mat thanked you (/ ji4ir errrofile/3749525) from Old Tiburon N IF Airbnb is a temptation ... and I have tried as a renter to airbnb while I was gone for a couple of weeks. But that is the only circ under which I would want Airbnb in the community....SHORT,' TERM, TO ALLOW HOMEOWNERS AND RENTERS TO MAKE $$, AND WITH LIMITED TIME ALLOWED FOR THESE AIRBNE - SAY, ONLY 60 DAYS EACH YEAR MAXIMUM. Thank Remove (/(4/fjp@y046"6241y (/profile/2345624) from Paradise Drive Lynn. Where this gets tricky is that all communities in the US r rentals to solve fundamental issues in the housing market and homeowners at some time may be confronted by the need to homes for some period of time. As just one example the Tiburon community is dependent upo can't afford to buy houses in Tiburon Most government workers (police, fire, planning, and so on), n education workers (teachers, trainers, health workers), most h' (cleaners, babysitters, gardeners, pool guys etc.) and so on, c: buy a house in Tiburon So communities rely upon rental properties to make up the ga affordable housing, and the needs of the workforce Some investors buy houses with the intent to rent them to soh problem Why should government decide that investors who rent to the should be allowed to do so, but Homeowners that occasional) rent their properties should not be allowed to? Or investors th; in the business of running vacation rental properties should nc to? Shouldn't homeowners be allowed to determine how they use property - subject to it not creating nuisance to neighbors? Re whether it is their primary residence or a residence bought as investment business? Should the role of government be to look over the shoulder of and decide what they can and can't do with their assets? And who decides what is an "appropriate" use and what is an "inappropriate use" Federal Government has decided that refusing to allow the po your neighborhood is un American. Regardless of the perceive that some people claim Is the vacationing business any different? If so why? Thanked! Remove You, Bill (/profile/34673/), Sherrin (/profile/2624770/), and 1 ott (/profile/2345624/) (17') vOtliksitiVellagmn (/profile/1014468) from Old Tiburon _l Thank you for the update. I have several friends who are out o who are presently using AirBnB successfully. Please note that does not allow any AirBnB or VRBO as the residents firmly opi Tiburon ABnB and VRBO maps show many rentals and rates neighbors do not like cars and guest they do not know. It becc difficult neighborhood watch situation. Sausalito requires hotel tax and licensing. This is an interestinc will not satisfy everyone in our community. The Town Council is wise to handle this issue with due diligent to safety, neighborhood watch, and property values. Thanked! Remove You thanked Lyndasue (/profile/1014468/) (9ii►fllgirMg8(/Profile/29201) from Del Mar Belvedere may not allow Airbnb or VRBO but a quick check of site at http://bit.ly/1 Pp2G1 U (http://bit.ly/1 Pp2G1 U) shows se\ Belvedere properties available for rent - so that policy is hardy Edited on 20 Aug Edit Delete Agi gkrgfile/1268920) from Belvedere Remember, in Belvedere/Tiburon it gets even trickier when the rentals are not affordable to those types of workers listed by ti see that the Airbnb rentals in my neighborhood allow the prop to gain more for their periodic rentals than a long term rental s who will pay for the enforcement of any restrictions on the Airt Seems to ad yet another layer of enforcement officials. The va in my neighborhood seem to attract large groups of folks who have a good time - day and night - on their vacations. It would this sort of activity (and extra income for property owners) cou owners be present during the rental. For example, limit the Airl room or guesthouse on an owner occupied property. Thank Remove Linda (/profile/460174/) and Christopher (/profile/17450441) the (/profile/12689201) ,, n (/profile/1014468) from Old Tiburon Marin IJ article states that the Town Council voted to allow Airi VRBO with a minimum stay of 30 days. Did you read this: Vac interested in visiting Southern Marin will soon find a ... View m Thank Remove (/ ggt /profile/2819808) from Bel Aire/Cypress Holl( So sad and shortsighted. I wonder if we start a Change.org petition so that the Town Co that they're making a decision that appears to go against wha people want — including the town's own planning commissior No one is arguing against an appropriate policy but this policy extreme. Thank Remove Mina (/profile/34506/), Linda (/profile/460174/), Matthew (/profi others thanked Cleveland (/profile/28198081) V9R5fil4ieffeig62ir®file/1569616) from Paradise Cay I agree it is horribly short sighted. It's a knee-jerk reaction as if invading hordes of barbarians at the gate! My family and I use Airbnb all over the world and I rent my city on Telegraph Hill through it and have never once had a comply problem. If Pebble Beach, Monaco and Lake Como can have Airbnb, wl Thank Remove Mina (/profile/345061), Matthew (/profile/23456241), Sherrin (/p others thanked Gary (/profile/1569616/) (i @rm4(4g /6455356) from Old Tiburon While I do not intend to rent out my house, as a homeowner I every right to do so. Thank Remove Sheila (/profile/20912031), Matthew (/profile/2345624/), Sherrir and 3 others thanked CJ (/profile/64553561) (/mi,cygtn (/profile/1014468) from Old Tiburon . Belvedere, Tiburon and Sausalito ban airbnb rental - the town governments elected not to regulate AirBNB rentals which req registration, a licensing and tax on the revenues. The cost to e department for these rentals is prohibitive in our small towns. ' made a wise choice not to create more government control. C rent out their homes make sure that you are considerate of yot as complaints will be handled by the appropriate authorities. Thank Remove Sheila (/profile/2091203/) and Julie (/profile/4699743/) thankec (/profile/1014468/) AOdkrgfile/1268920) from Belvedere Lyndasue's comments are right on target. We are not talking a away property owner rights to rent out their house, we are talk impact of some of the short term rentals on the quiet enjoymei neighboring properties, and whose rights are being violated? Thank Remove Christopher (/profile/1745044/) thanked Barth (/profile/126892' vfolgiffpg046620.T (/profile/2345624) from Paradise Drive If that were true (this is only about ensuring a peaceful comms. would simply enforce its laws regarding disturbance of the pe No this is a direct attack on property owner rights - we have al right to rent our property for Tess than thirty days at a time tak( us If this law is allowed to remain in place many residents will ha% but to knowingly break the law - not a choice our town govern be forcing upon its residents When laws are created that have to be widely broken, the inte, respect we have for the law is undermined Thanked! Remove You, Sherrin (/profile/2624770/), and Dave (/profile/6581889/) t (/profile/2345624/) k 0esig t /685507) from Belveron I certainly appreciate bad eggs upsetting neighbors with noise outright ban on short-term rentals feels like a gross overreach. family comes to visit, but due to bedroom constraints, renting home (via AirBnB or VRBO) is far more convenient and fun tha multiple hotel rooms. I'd hate to not be able to do this anymor Thanked! Remove You, Linda (/profile/460174/), Matthew (/profile/2345624/), and (/profile/685507/) } Mlggeggrr) (/profile/29201) from Del Mar I'm not following Lyndasue's logic - there is now a ban in place rent out you are technically breaking the law - it's not about re taking into consideration of your neighbors - now you are not so under this ruling. Of course, most will just ignore this. The c been to take away the rights of property owners to allow short in their properties - which I consider to be a gross over -reach authority. I totally support actions by the town if there are dist_ consider that a separate issue. Edit Delete Matthew (/profile/2345624/) thanked you (/Owpljel gzirgfile/1569616) from Paradise Cay Completely agree Thank Remove Matthew (/profile/2345624/) thanked Gary (/profile/1569616/) visIgfjpgtifigtIntgyprofile/1980305) from Old Tiburon Got heavens sake, there are airb&b's all over the world and in lovely as Tiburon/belvedere. What makes residents here think special! Thanked! Remove You, Sheila (/profile/2091203/), Matthew (/profile/2345624/), ar Elizabeth (/profile/1980305/) (/iiro1 }ggggijey) 849811) from Old Tiburon Airbnbs offer a unique experience for both the individual offerii and for the traveler and allow for some people to have a travel experience they could not otherwise have. These offerings are world and it is an accepted practice. Small town life can make field of vision. Thanked! Remove You, Linda (/profile/460174/), Sheila (/profile/2091203/), and 1 (/profile/4849811 /) Migtilgygt s (/profile/96528) from Old Tiburon How many who are posting would offer their home for short to Thank Remove Sandra (/profile/6191823/) thanked Alice (/profile/96528,) Affrr)4J2 file/432624) from Belvedere Though I am not against the concept fundamentally, it is diffict the renters. We have a home in our neighborhood that often re weekly basis and is too often a party...beer bottles in my yard, night, cars parked blocking my garage, garbage all over the st 4.444 Thank Remove Cathy (/profile/355362/) and Susan (/profile/3081919/) thankec (/profile/432624/) ( zygligr7 (/profile/29201) from Del Mar @alice we rented out one of our rooms on Airbnb a couple of t worked out fine. I've not been planning to continue to do so bi the option. Edit Delete Agifigeziaggrri (/profile/29201) from Del Mar Vii► @susan I can imagine how frustrating that can be. I suggest yc approaching the owners to try and remedy the situation and if report each disturbance. Not acceptable. Edit Delete Apig'g f ile/1268920) from Belvedere The.fact that regulating short term rentals take rights away froi property owners has merit. But do short term rentals come urn of residential use or commercial? Are Hotels okay in residentia neighborhoods? Long term rentals are another story and we r€ property owner's right to do as they wish. Edited on 22 Aug Thank Remove (, JIggligByprofile/2819808) from Bel Aire/Cypress Holl( @alice, same here. Never had a problem. In fact noise from ne parties and illegal construction activity is much more of a prob neighborhood. We've stayed in AirBnbs all over the world. It h; lovely way to meet wonderful people, contribute financially to economies, and experience wonderful places. Thank Remove Matthew (/profile/2345624/) thanked Cleveland (/profile/28198 vv1/440 Wlgip0profile/43106) from Belvedere We cannot both have our cake and eat it. Much of the "Destini Tiburon" initiative is to bring visitors here (duh!), so where are 1 Vacation rentals are an excellent choice--AirBNB is but one of facilitators --so why is this an issue? I hope we are not funding Tiburon" solely to support the two local hotels, one of which h enough rooms to handle the steady stream of weddings that c venue. Even Cuba allows "vacation rentals" and has for decades. If it Communists, why the fuss in a Country/State/Town that value: freedom? Thank Remove Cynthia (/profile/52834/) thanked Donal (/profile/43106/) (/Si !nt(g a/3277980) from Round Hill Anyone know if there is a way to remove yourself from this thn believe it is a valuable discussion and appreciate all of the tho responses, but my email box is getting overwhelmed by the nt posts it is receiving. :-) Thank Remove vrali ,tip gyprofile/1980305) from Old Tiburon To Alice: I would Thanked! Remove You, Alice (/profile/96528/), and Sandra (/profile/6191823/) tha (/profile/1980305/) vpiimj} tip jg)(/profile/1980305) from Old Tiburon To Susan: you should take that up with the owners...shame on that should not stop short term rentals Thanked! Remove You and Matthew (/profile/2345624/) thanked Elizabeth (/profil. (tAiNketip s)(/profile/1980305) from Old Tiburon Very wise Liz! Thank Remove (/ mfre}(4gpfile/432624) from Belvedere Thank you - The Neighbor has been approached many times c years. Although Bel/Tib may not be more "special" than other world where many of you have rented via air bnb, the Homes c are very close together and sound travels. It's not a pleasant e living next to frequent parties. I am just quite thankful it has be lately (because she hasn't been renting). Thank Remove Alice (/profile/96528/) thanked Susan (/profile/432624/) (/ A4:/g44 (/profile/2345624) from Paradise Drive @alice. Any Tiburon property owner may one day be confronts need to make some money though a short term rental. Just as examples - They are temporarily out of work, they nee. somewhere to look after an elderly relative in the final weeks o need some extra income to help pay for that care, their compE them away from home for a while, their own business requires travel somewhere every third month for some reason, they wai time with their children or grandchildren during the final weeks pregnancy and to help with a newborn and need some income etc. etc. - there are scores of reasons why it could make sensE point in the future for any Tiburon homeowner. If I understand correctly, you have just put each of these Tibur homeowners into a position where they have to break the law those situations as they arise I don't think it is okay to then say you don't plan to enforce the the rental gets out of hand. Tiburon should enforce disturbance of the peace laws that are place, and leave homeowners with their existing property right include the right to rent their home for short periods of time - i getting permits to do so if they do it regularly or as a business This issue is not going to go away - it is only going to grow mc as we transition into the on -demand economy of the future Thanked! Remove You, Tina (/profile/31550/), Elizabeth (/profile/1980305/), and 3 Matthew (/profile/2345624/) (/Og gel (pirelile/1569616) from Paradise Cay The policy to have airbnb shouldn't be driven by unfortunate e Approach the owner if there is an issue and if that doesn't takE then call the police for the particular disturbance or trash viola don't place law abiding home owners in a position of having tc law in order to use their property. Thanked! Remove You, Tina (/profile/31550/), Elizabeth (/profile/1980305/), and 3 (/profile/15696166 • ' , (0ligrj:j (/profile/29201) from Del Mar &$ Here are instructions for muting conversations https://help.nextdoor.com/customer/porta... (https://hel p.nextdoor.com/customer/portal/articles/1656540). number or frequency of emails is too much you can also adjus Edit Delete Kindra (/profile/32779806 thanked you (/ ggg r`p}rofile/99937) from Belvedere I agree with Mathew. The fact is there is probably less disturbE AirBnB than normal living - ie. don't rent your house to kids wt have a day long party... It's pretty obvious and easy to use dis. so than a hotel. This is a question of power more than anything else. Would yo retain power of your house or inadvertently give it over to theo there been enough of that already? I know how we just LOVE 1 HOAs. This is just another version but worse My blatant thoughts Thanked! Remove You and Matthew (/profile/2345624/) thanked Zoe (/profile/999 (/3,(70lirp(43 a/2724050) from Old Tiburon How do you mute this on-going conversation in Outlook ExprE Thank Remove Elaine (/profile/30656721), Susan (/profile/3081919/), and Sara thanked Phil (/profile/2724050/) (/0jgg3rofile/99937) from Belvedere You don't you do it from your settings in next door and you as questions in next door and it will guide you on how to edit indi with the website. Basically you can excuse yourself from or an conversations. Kind regards, Thanked! Remove You and Susan (/profile/3081919/) thanked Zoe (/profile/99937 vfMiknlyilgcl g rofile/170558) from Belvedere agree completely with Barth Dixon. You have to think of the it your neighbors and their right to peace and enjoyment in their speak from experience. I live on a sleepy, quiet lane. As the trE more popular and acceptable, people began to jump on the bq and turned their homes into rentals. One was tolerable, then a another and pretty soon the quaint, bucolic neighborhood I Io\ more. Strangers would come and go, no more peaceful evenir music and parties abound. The parking was/is a huge problerr limited space. I'd come home to random cars parked in my dr street is one lane and a dead end. There is no avoiding the col since there is only one way in and out. Most homes were built when one car garages were the norm and so any overflow goE own driveways and now....on our tiny street which has no on s So the vacationers get creative and squeeze in thereby creatir issues. And where are the owners during all this? They are lau' way to the bank. One of the houses was sold and the new owl moved in - it went directly on the VRBO/Airbnb market. It is sa bought my house to be my HOME, not a source of income. Pk the neighbors who LIVE there. Thank Remove Barth (/profile/12689201) and Susan (/profile/30819191) thanke (/profile/1705581) Tina Warren (/profile/31550) from Old Tiburon Wittilly/05dareat experiences with AirB&B in Paris and Vail. l we corresponded with the hosts who were just as concerned their homes to people who would be considerate as we ... Vie Thanked! Remove You, Jason (/profile/40287/), Sheila (/profile/2091203/), and 2 c (/profile/31550/) ( y 6M (/profile/52834) from Belvedere Seems like there might be a pretty easy solution to neighbors repeatedly rent to "bad eggs". Start a Next Door campaign to addresses of the houses that are constant offenders, akin to tF Letter, only maybe R for Rude. Another thought, citations for excessive noise that escalate in repeated offenders paid by the homeowner. I suspect that if yc clear provable objective standard that owners getting $500-$1 might reconsider whether or not they are going to risk noisy to Thank Remove Pam (/profile/1810900/), Sheila (/profile/2091203/), and MatthE thanked Cynthia (/profile/52834/) (/9g gel g {rggile/1569616) from Paradise Cay I can empathize with the owner who's "quiet lane" has becom crowded to park in and disturbed by loud or littering renters. It exception for the majority of us, but to that resident it is a real So, building on Cynthia's idea of public shaming, I would sugc protest and that neighbors who are feeling intruded upon try tl Picket outside the offending house. I'm completely serious on take coming outside to get the job done but it would be well v► effort. And, it's a nice way to bond with your neighbors! :-) No owner, absentee or not, wants negative notoriety. It may to active involvement by a few neighbors to get the offenders to : would guess that anyone renting is going to leave negative fee their rental experience because they will feel defensive and no were a nuisance. Instead they will blame it on "bad" neighborE own experience, I wouldn't rent a house that is receiving "bad feedback section. I'm certain of one thing. If occupancy goes down, the owner vk message and either do better pre-screening„ stop renting, or ( else to improve the situation. Thanked! Remove You and Tina (/profile/31550/) thanked Gary (/profile/1569616/ giijhl grppArofile/31550) from Old Tiburon I agree with Gary with regard to the feedback. The owner in Ve- wanted good feedback and went out of his way to check in wi our stay even though he was in Europe and a time difference. us to have a good experience so that others we knew would s recommendation and know that his rental would likely guarant experience for others who travel like we do. On our last vacati' we would have rented a Big Island condo that many Tiburon ft through VRBO because of one family we are all friends with st years ago and has been going ever since - but I wanted a brez cooking and cleaning up after my two teenagers. My suggestik Council interview the successful permitted owners (if they agrE out just what makes them so successful on both sides - and n have more information on which they can consider whether th. here to draft an ordinance calling for high standards and consi rentals. Thanked! Remove You and Matthew (/profile/2345624/) thanked Tina (/profile/31; (O ptwE(krgfile/1268920) from Belvedere Cynthia, Your suggestions are great in theory. It would be inter know how many short term rental property disturbaces are re police in a year. And how much of the police budget (our taxes responding to the complaints from neighbors. But why should have to fight for the quiet enjoyment of their property when the visit. Thank Remove A1i0Oprofile/43106) from Belvedere Keep in mind: the folks who visit Tiburon and Belvedere are fo part like us: wealthy, privileged and hopefully, just as mindful c neighbors here' as they would be toward those that live near tl home. The problem is not the Vacation Rental; it is the steps taken b� owner to insure that the visitors are the sort to be mindful of ti - neighborhood and behave accordingly. Homeowners in 94920 have been doing temporary rentals or (- related, out-of-town guests' for a very long time --I myself can past ten years --without a problem greater than the usual whini occurs when a neighbor has a party and guest's cars fill the st of 'AirBNB' has opened the door, so to speak, for property ow the responsibility for the conduct of guests, and that is not a g Realtors have added to the problem by encouraging a rise in I' based on features like "you can rent it when you are away." CE the "your kids can get the equivalent a of private -school for frE that has added a cohort of young families to our community, tl our neighborhood has changed. In fact, "bad -behavior" seem: rather than the exception (viz. cyclists' -no -stop, unsupervised FNOM, road -rage on Hwy131, etc.) It all comes down to "responsibility" versus "regulation" and I the former and very, very distrustful of the latter. Thanked! Remove You and Tina (/profile/31550/) thanked Donal (/profile/43106/) ( ft+11W gr Arofile/31550) from Old Tiburon Reading Barth's latest comment, I am wondering why the soul nuisance would make a difference, once it it identified, as ther municipal and state ordinances, laws and means for enforcem available to affected homeowners now for relief. I'm not seeinc difference between someone who owns a home and is doing these things, a long term renter who might be doing some/all things, or a short term renter who might be doing some/all of t If there is "bad egg" activity going on, are people not calling LI assistance within the jurisdiction? Thanked! Remove You, Matthew (/profile/2345624/), and Elizabeth (/profile/5386' (/profile/315506 ( jrgv9Vprofile/2784957) from Old Tiburon Mrso' Let's put this discussion to sleep now, shall we? Thank Remove Grace (/profile/2294583/) and Marcy (/profile/4821927/) thank€ (/profile/2784957/) (/34i0Cprofile/43106) from Belvedere would rather see the "hand -bag trunk sale" ad's go away anc "relocation, used furniture" with them. There are community is deserve a forum like this, let CraigsList handle the commercial (And yes, selling your used furniture rather than donating it to who needs it, is commercial. Donate the stuff, take the tax dec that's the way) Thank Remove James (/profile/28321/), Barth (/profile/1268920/), Gary (/profil( other thanked Donal (/profile/43106/) (/,{iljeF8I)in (/profile/37011) from Belvedere I am in total agreement with Donal - It is unbelieveable to me t who can afford to pay millions for their houses are rinky-dinkyi selling their used furniture and appliances??? Anyone have an Thank Remove Zoe Sexton (/profile/99937) from Belvedere Mffgey@ro sake- clearly its easier than paying the cost of and better than wasting it. And this is a community forum with neighborhoods share, sell and trade- that is a community acti\ definition, It also enables neighbors to get to know each other not normally engage. The discussion on Air BnB is great too. and the past one abou deer. Better than Sheriffs calls! The only thing I'd like to see go away is posts from the utility c They are not people -they are corporations. Communities are 1 Just my two cents -which are worth only $.02. Thank Remove Cynthia (/profile/52834/), Azita (/profile/1197790/), Barth (/prof others thanked Zoe (/profile/99937/) (/ n gd2Pty (/profile/2345624) from Paradise Drive The reason this thread is continuing to run is that most people are very unhappy that three council members have decided to the community's property rights rather than create a solution t disturbances of the peace The issue will not go away I believe Until the town reverses its ban on short term rentals it is puttin interests of a vocal minority over the property values and interi great majority This poll as well as the "on the street sentiment" (and the sent town meeting in which he counsellors decided to take their ac demonstrates this to be true Thanked! Remove You, James (/profile/28321/), Cynthia (/profile/52834/}, and 3 o (/profile/2345624/) (i9pl3jeeprelile/1569616) from Paradise Cay Anyone know the policy positions of the four people who filed November's Tiburon town council election? Edited on 24 Aug Thank Remove Cynthia (/profile/52834/) and Matthew (/profile/2345624/) thanl (/profile/1569616/) Arriafif61 q f)Ile/475766) from Old Tiburon Frank Doyle and I are the council members who are up for elec November, and we are the two who opposed the short term re am not sure of the position of the challenger. Thanked! Remove You, Gary (/profile/1569616/), Julia (/profile/2319558/), and 1 c (/profile/475766/) (/pNOMprofile/43106) from Belvedere Is this thread about AirBNB or vacation rentals or what? As I p there are many ways to have visitors use one's home ranging throwing a party while parents are away to a formal rental facil third party like AirBNB. As I understand the "regulation", it spe "short-term" rentals without mention of any specific facilitator. problem is the homeowner's management of guests; not the n arrangement, paid or otherwise. Thank Remove James (/profile/28321/) and Frances (/profile/2643488/) thankE (/profile/43106/) (*4Iggkityprofile/2819808) from Bel Aire/Cypress HoII( @ Matthew, Yes I completely agree. Has anyone started a petition to reverse this decision? It soun three members went against the planning commission recomr and the wishes of many in the community. Such a pity. Thank Remove Matthew (/profile/2345624/) thanked Cleveland (/profile/28198 V9I41elrelile/1569616) from Paradise Cay Erin one of the contributors on here is on the council and she Despite her difference of opinion on this maybe she can coma procedure for residents to ask for a reconsideration and revers people will have to vote for a change if they feel this is an imps Thanked! Remove You and Matthew (/profile/2345624/) thanked Gary (/profile/15 vOt igyglgflgorf /3816242) from Belveron Also the restriction could possibly be a retroactive denial of dL rights of property owners. Thank Remove James (/profile/28321/) and Matthew (/profile/2345624/) thank (/profile/3816242/) 74/4,. (/%gg alr sigyprofile/2643488) from Belveron I can assure you if I EVER rented my home to a family while I v my summer home in Maine, I would want them to take utmost property, and respect my community. Parties would be out of 1 Am I truly in the minority of homeowners out there who genuin about their homes community??? Thank Remove Colin Crawford (/profile/29201) from Del Mar ,,f"1'1 (/91120grsed the coverage of this issue in the MarinIJ - see http://www.marinij.com/government-and-po... (http://www.marinij.com/government-and-politics/20150820/ti short-term-rentals-including-airbnb-and-vrbo#disqus_thread) Edit Delete (/ it fpli le/475766) from Old Tiburon There is a final vote to be taken at the next town council meeti September 2. There will be an opportunity for public comment To the extent that you feel that your voice has not been heard, you to attend that meeting. Thanked! Remove You, Alice (/profile/96528/), Gary (/profile/1569616/), and 1 oth (/profile/475766/) A igir 0s6(Aile/1029567) from Belvedere With 76% of the more than 200 votes cast here on Nextdoor it continuing to allow short term rentals with appropriate regulati seem that the 3 members of the Tiburon Town Council who ch the same sentiment at the public hearing last week (Alice Fred Fraser, and Emmett O'Donnell), should at least consider chane vote to be aligned with the public opinion and common sense. To make your voices heard I would therefore encourage every( contributed to this debate to write a quick note to the the Tow express their opinion formally. My hope is that additional letter comments will get the esteemed Town Council Members to re their decision to outright ban rentals shorter than 30 days in Ti - is against the will of the majority of citizens of this community - deprives the town's merchants from valuable business - is a major concern for the Yacht and Tennis clubs who will fir impossible to accomodate the many national and internationa who participate in their many races and tournaments - is a violation of Tiburon's homeowners' property rights - removes the ability for young families and retires to rent out t during their vacations, so they themselves can afford to travel - deprives the Town from Transient Occupancy Taxes - is unenforcable per the esteemed council members who votf - is totaly unneccesary as the town instead of banning short tE could simply require short term landlords to follow simple rule: requiring adequate parking and requiring their renters to adher town's noice ordinance etc. As you can see there are many reasons why the 3 members 01 Town Council who chose to ignore all of these reasons (Alice F Jan Fraser, and Emmett O'Donnell) should consider changing be aligned with the public opinion and common sense and my your letters will help them realize that reconsidering their posit matter makes a lot of sense, Your can easily send emails to them through the town's Planni Dan Watrous on dwatrous@townoftiburon.org (mailto:dwatrous@townoftiburon.org)) to express your opinion. Thanked! Remove You, Cynthia (/profile/52834/), Matthew (/profile/2345624/), ani (/profile/1029567/) (/rear (/profile/791983) from Tiburon Uplands 200 yes votes? nextdoor has 1648 members. So about 12% o members, or 152 members, voted yes. And 1496 members dic Thank Remove (iRlgrfg (/profile/29201) from Del Mar 4J If you support allowing short -tem rentals in Tiburon, then you encouraged to attend the council meeting on 2nd September opinion be known. It's also recommended you contact the cot_ members who are in favor of an outright ban. Email addresses My position is that if the council is to ban short-term rentals, tt to articulate their policy of enforcement. Are they going to pro\ resources to review the VBRO and airbnb sites to find those p, to really crack down on the illegal activity. Or, as I suspect it's they will only act selectively if there is a nuisance complaint. S enforcement while "good neighbor" renters remain free to con their homes on the market without the bureaucracy of permits and hearings or much fear of getting into trouble. Tiburon officials constantly remind us that they don't have the enforcement, so it appears that good -neighbor renters are unli get in trouble, and that this is a ban in name and for nuisance - purposes only. I think that's a cop-out position. Tiburon council should either spend the time to properly draft regulations or not have regulations against short-term rentals c if there is no real intention of enforcement. Without enforceme becomes a joke - that's a dangerous precedent. Of the 60ish Airbnb renters in Tiburon only 6 had permits had 1 only two of the remaining - approximately 50-55 have ever be( The vast majority of local businesses in Tiburon support short - because of the addition business the renters bring in. A poll cc a Tiburon resident showing that support apparently was not re council members at the last meeting when the decision to ban rentals was made. The three council members supporting the ban on short -tem n Emmett O'Donnell, Councilmember emmett@vikingind.com (mailto:emmett@vikingind.com) Jim Fraser, Councilmember JSFraser1@comcast.net (mailto:JSFraserl @comcast.net) Alice Fredericks, Councilmember askalicenow@usa.net (mailto:askalicenow@usa.net) and two council members favoring short -tem rentals with regu Frank Doyle, Mayor frank@standingstonegroup.com (mailto:frank@standingstonegroup.com) Erin Tollini, Vice Mayor erin20000@gmail.com (mal Ito:erin20000@gmail.com) Edit Delete Tina (/profile/31550/) and Gary (/profile/1569616/) thanked yoL (92JfiI g' (/profile/29201) from Del Mar 11..► @sandra - no - 200+ members of Nextdoor have expressed ar 76% in favor of allowing short-term rentals and 24% against - not indicated one way or another so we don't know nor can a: position on the issue. It's not a scientific poll by any means bu indicative of the overall sentiment of the more active Nextdoor One way to deal with this is to put it on the ballot. Edited on 25 Aug Edit Delete Gary (/profile/1569616/) thanked you (/ wfred/pgpfile/3081919) from Bel Aire/Cypress Hollow The concept of airbnb's sound good, but the reality may differ scenario was that you or your neighbor rented to a quiet grout perhaps from out of state, or another country, here to enjoy & Bay Area -not a problem. They were lovely, courteous, low-key people, not drawing much attention to themselves, and they tr neighborhood and property with respect. But what if the next guests were party animals? Throwing big alcohol bashes all ni Cars coming and going? A big pain for the neighbors, not to n may be happening to the property! I would not know how one prospective short term "guests". I worry more about this than taxes, quite frankly. Thank Remove Barth (/profile/1268920/) thanked Susan (/profile/3081919/) (9gspgjeis g§r®file/1569616) from Paradise Cay Susan If you read through the postings there has been a lot of discus that should be addressed both by neighborhood and more brc throughout Tiburon. The bottom line is that it can and should be addressed as it oc the existing noise and litter ordinances. Doing so will allow Tib like it's in the 21st century and not deprive property owners of use their property for their "quiet enjoyment". Communities in the most exclusive neighborhoods in the worth use of Airbnb and VRBO. I should know... I've stayed in some And, my city house in San Francisco on Telegraph Hill has hac My neighbors have been told to call the police if they are beiri or if there is litter. The two concepts are not mutually exclusive. They can coexis involve people actually filing a complaint when people don't ar rules. Thanked! Remove You, James (/profile/28321/), Tina (/profile/31550/), and 1 othe (/profile/1569616/) (J i8iwy jlz298)(/profile/2412298) from Belvedere Who is to determine what are "appropriate regulations". I woul if the "appropriate regulations" restricted AirBNB rentals to Nu years of age. Sounds good (an quiet) to me! Thank Remove A1T*3rpg e I'Armee (/profile/1120783) from Round Hill Really? That's what you want? Nuns over 65? Once word got out, all of the retired nuns would vacation in Til Thank Remove Cynthia (/profile/52834/) thanked Clayton (/profile/1120783/) (/, i pgQg igjrofile/31679) from Old Tiburon I have used AirBNB.com for several years for a Lake Property of state. It has been great and there has never been a neighbo have house rules and thoroughly vet the guests and remind th. don't want the neighbors disturbed. The guests have been ver I have had problems with loud property owners and barking d( Tiburon...probably worse than any Airbnb.com renters. Also, ft price rentals, you really do get great people. Edited on 25 Aug Thanked! Remove You, Cynthia (/profile/52834/), Sheila (/profile/2091203/), and 2 (/profile/31679/) (/ pg mgr , (/profile/2345624) from Paradise Drive Alison and I just sent the following email to the entire Town of Council and also to the Town Secretary. We can't attend Septe because of prior commitments. Thank you Colin for listing the each person in this thread. xxxx Dear Tiburon Mayor, Vice Mayor and Council members We have been following with increasing concern the news reg, term rentals in Tiburon. As we understand it: 1. Some people in Tiburon have been renting their homes for I, days without permits 2. A handful of those rentals have resulted in disturbances whi needed to be contacted 3. The Town of Tiburon wants to better manage those disturbE forward 4. However, instead of focusing on a handful of bad apples, th Council voted to penalize the thousands of well behaved and 1 abiding homeowners of Tiburon by taking away their right tor( homes if they want or need to do so. 5. This would not only make it illegal to do a once or twice a yc when you are yourself on vacation or traveling 6. If we understand this correctly it would also make it imposs people to use their Tiburon home for other short term rental p1 as weddings, photoshoots, filming, many philanthropic activiti, We just don't see why every Tiburon homeowner should be p€ this across the board way. We also have read postings including by members of your con which the position is stated that even though this ban will be c it will not be enforced. We don't like the idea that we will need to BREAK THE LAW in our property. Once the law is on the books, any law abiding oil Tiburon is put into a terrible dilemma - accept the "blind eye" c and town police while breaking the law, or not do something ti always a fully permitted right of home ownership in the USA. 1. In our case, we bought our house twenty years ago always as we moved into retirement and had more time to travel, we by renting homes abroad and renting our our own home at the to cover those costs 2. We have also considered using our gardens as a location fo wanting to hold weddings on a summer weekend in beautiful 3. While we have not yet done so, this was part of our long ter way to keep living in Tiburon when our incomes reduce 4. And we knew that this was fully legal in the Town of Tiburon most towns in America If you ban outright short term rentals, we believe you will be gr harming us, our family, and hundreds of other families in Tibun We don't know what our recourse would be, and frankly we do need to find out PLEASE, vote to greatly increase enforcement of the disturbar peace laws already on the books. PLEASE by all means increa homeowners who allow their houses to be used in a way that neighbors. And only if absolutely necessary, create some sort of ban on s rental only properties (properties which are not lived in by the r least nine or ten or so months a year. BUT DO NOT strip away our property rights, create substantia and make it impossible for us to retire gracefully in the way we Thanked! Remove You, Tina (/profile/31550/), Cynthia (/profile/52834/), and 5 oth' (/profile/23456241) epr (/profile/28321) from Belvedere I think Tiburon got it wrong. And there may be constitutional la relative to the same. I interpret the ban as a partial taking of pr Further, why is there this distinction between long term and sh rentals? As long as you are not creating a nuisance for your 1)E the community, you should be able to do what you want with In that regard, reasonable regulations governing Airbnb rental appropriate. Let the city impose a hotel tax for anything Tess tr Short term property rentals bring tourist dollars to our commui stimulate local businesses. If Belvedere is currently not allowir rentals, then someone in the community should initiate a ballo and let us vote. Edited 6d ago Thanked! Remove You, Kimberly (/profile/28405/), Cynthia (/profile/52834/), and (/profile/28321/) Mai y jlgpg8)(/profile/2412298) from Belvedere AirBNB, as I see it is a great idea for Tiburon, particularly sincE Belvedere property owner, I would look forward, as Tiburon pr• decline, due to AirBNB problems, Belvedere property will, by c become so much more desirable. Great idea, Tiburon, please Belvedere property values to go up. Thank Remove Barth (/profile/1268920/) thanked William (/profile/2412298/) 1( y�y (/�.4 /profile/3541531) from Reedlands Thank you Le Merles for sharing your letter to the Mayor and C While I feel some restrictions are prudent, I do not feel homeo' freedoms should be limited to long-term rentals. Clearly, some compromise needs to be hashed out. As I understand it, Tibur Airbnb / VRBO hosts must pay a $100 seasonal permit and a - this become too onerous to enforce? Have security costs gree increased? I would like to know how other desirable vacation have handled this issue. I believe Napa - for instance- now alk term rentals, but, the homeowner must have a permit. HowevE limited permits + I do not know how this is determined. It's a c contentious issue! I hope that all southern Marin towns can be agreement. Thanked! Remove You, James (/profile/28321/), Kimberly (/profile/28405/), and 4 (/profile/3541531 /) (/,�rg §/[2v cy (/profile/28321) from Belvedere Vs '; I do not see the community as becoming a row of hotel/rental look at the following facts: We are a residential community; bu a tourist destination. And there is nothing wrong with that. We unique and very beautiful place. I love where I live. I moved he this place satisfies my idea of the perfect community, next to t convenient to accessing the City and full of magical outdoor p roam and enjoy. I do not see my aspirations in conflict with oft come from around the world to experience this magical place. think of some of the special places that you have traveled to, f Majorca, Croatia, Tahoe or St. Bart's, those places do not limil rentals. Further, they have vibrant communities that, but for to' might be hard pressed. Take a look at Main Street. Are busine: How many empty storefronts can you count? Wouldn't it be gi more restaurants, more retail? Hate to say it, but we are partia destination. Even San Francisco gets it. Why not embrace this welcome people from other parts of the world to enjoy this uni place?...! Regardless of your personal philosophy on tourism your personal utopia with someone outside of the community, wonder about how far the government should be entitled to gc your lifestyle or ability earn income. There are laws on the boo control private and public nuisances. We have criminal statute books to control illegal behavior. And rightfully so! So regulate if you must. But do it in a reasonable way. Thanked! Remove You, Onne (/profile/25301/), Kimberly (/profile/28405/), and 14 (/profile/28321/) (Ogelelrefile/1569616) from Paradise Cay James Thank you for writing your note. It describes exactly how I feel little slice of heaven. And, why I relocated to live here 20 years quarters through my career, and pinch myself each day to mai, not a dream. We live in an extraordinary "destination" location. Some peopl. entire lives to come here just once for a wonderful experience the serenity that we call home. It's not Vegas honky tonk, nor that type of vacationer. We could easily rent our home on Airbnb but do not intend to. certainly don't mind our neighbors doing it. And if there is eves which I doubt there will be, I will address it with the owner, or i required, I'll call the police. The city council should regulate it and be as minimally invasive but not prohibit people from doing it in the "big brother" way tl done. Thanked! Remove You, James (/profile/28321/), Cynthia (/profile/52834/), and 5 o (/profile/1569616/) (Rh►fflgirgwf9 (/profile/29201) from Del Mar ik-0 Good coverage of the issue in today's edition of The Ark whicl this Nextdoor discussion - check it out. If you are not a subscriber (you should be) or cannot borrow a me a message and I'II send you a scan of the article. I suspect next week's editor will have a few letters for and aga your voice and copy the council members. Changing the mind of the three (out of five) council members who voted for the bE prevent it passing at the council meeting on 2nd September. P outcome would be for the council to accept the compromise recommendations of the Tiburon Planning Commission. Minutes of the 19th August meeting, together with supporting be located at http://www.townoftiburon.org/AgendaCente... (http://www.townoftiburon.org/AgendaCenter/Town-Council-6: Edit Delete Gary (/profile/1569616/) thanked you viSpoppei3sbtilfstili (/profile/5044325) from Tiburon Uplands Been watching this for a bit and James you nailed it! Thanks Thanked! Remove You, James (/profile/28321/), Pam (/profile/1810900/), and 1 01 (/profile/5044325/) (/ i! r I1 i' le/1810900) from Bel Aire/Cypress Hollow I totally agree with James as well. The town council should rec Thanked! Remove You, James (/profile/28321/), and Matthew (/profile/2345624/) (/profile/1810900/) Mtr,, /profile/3819921) from Del Mar Should I be allowed to have my cousin to come and visit me? week? Should the government regulate the visit of relatives an Should the government tax their gratitude as they invite me fol offer us a gift certificate? Should the government define who h the reach of my hospitality? These are all fascinating question: compelled to address as result of the pluralistic society we IivE debate! Thank Remove James (/profile/28321/) and Cynthia (/profile/52834/) thanked c (/profile/3819921 /) (/iMipgia4profile/4194677) from Round Hill Great questions Carlos. Loving this thread and hope the Coun their hasty decision or they will lose my vote the next time the! anything. Thank Remove James (/profile/28321/) and Matthew (/profile/2345624/) thank (/profile/4194677/) (/ptagg{ftjgi)in (/profile/37011) from Belvedere hope I am not offending anyone...but isn't this getting a little hand...I can't imagine sharing with friends who do not live in B these endless frantic, long messages... Thank Remove AI yioMprofile/43106) from Belvedere Actually, it is NOT a good idea for you to "share with friends" t the messages on this community chat board. It is none of their what my point of view is on a topic that is germane to my corn Personal privacy while disclosing my address and name to my part of the 'social contract' on the site. hope you were speak hyperbolically, but please keep the disc 'among neighbors'. Thank Remove M2h1�8 (/profile/29201) from Del Mar k:/ Judith - if you are not interested in the topic - please mute the conversation. For others this is a very important issue - with a short-term rentals due to be enacted at the Town Council mee Sept. While the majority of residents won't rent - many feel the allowed to. Services such as VBRO have (and continue to ope Tiburon / Belvedere) generally without incident. Belvedere has residents are ignoring it. Edit Delete Tina (/profile/31550/), Sheila (/profile/2091203/), and Matthew thanked you ARAM Judith it is just a matter of accepting the diversity of perspecti' contemporary pluralistic society. Clearly this topic hit a nerve c your neighbors who feel passionate about it!... and modern tec help us to share with minimum friction. i'J li91ggqyprofile/3819921) from Del Mar Thank Remove Cynthia (/profile/52834/) and Matthew (/profile/2345624/) thanl (/profile/3819921 /) L (/,l{ijef37gliin (/profile/37011) from Belvedere 1 knew you would find my views offensive and please do not A my sharing Next Door Belvedere with anyone..... [cid: i i_14db 17c7e9987459] JUDITH ETS-HOKIN smrt-dog.com<http://smrt-dog.com (http://smrt-dog.com<htti dog.com)> smrt-write.com<http://smrt-write.com (http://smrt- write. com<http://smrt-write.com)> Thank Remove alt �A r f ��g�q yprofile/3819921) from Del Mar My letter to the Tiburon Council members (feel free to reuse in see fit) Dear Tiburon Council members, I became aware just now that the town council has addressed question: Should Airbnb rentals be allowed in Tiburon? As I think as a Tiburon resident we belong to an enlightened c' would propose that we address a broader question of which ti question of allowing or restricting AirBnB is a part. As you are aware the sharing economy is facilitated by technological innc allow for a frictionless sharing of underused assets, pieces of services I have acquired or hold rights. Should I be allowed to have my cousin come and visit me? Fo week? Should the government regulate the visits of relatives a Should the government tax a friend's or relative's gratitude wh my family over for dinner or offer us a gift certificate as a graci reciprocity for our hospitality? Should the government define v friend and who is within the reach of my hospitality? These ars fascinating questions we are compelled to address as result o pluralistic society we live. I had always assumed that Tiburon i garde community, as Machiavelli said it near a millennia ago, " change of the order of things...". Looking forward to your robust response, Best wishes -- Carlos B. Carlos S. Baradello, PhD Managing Partner of Sausalito Ventures, and Professor of Innovation & Entrepreneurship at HULT Internatia School Cell: +1 (415) 342 6663 Blog: www.carlosbaradello.com (http://www.carlosbaradello.c Firm: www.sausalitoventures.com (http://www.sausalitoventun Linkedln: www.linkedin.com/in/baradello (http://www.linkedin.com/in/baradello) Skype: baradello Thank Remove James (/profile/28321/) and Jyll (/profile/214503/) thanked Car (/ /ri8i6y 98)(/profile/2412298) from Belvedere When people speak of their cousins' right to use visit, etc. that one situation with another, AirBNB situations, where the peopl your "cousins", and you are not there when they are there, anc "renters" may be drug addicts, a practicing hard rock band, or The problems that have arisen in San Francisco are clear from Francisco Chronicle articles, and please remember, since San San Francisco, the "normal" ambiance of noise, garbage on tf other less than desirable characteristics is "normally" at a leve people in a single -family -home area, such as Tiburon would fir objectionable. On the other hand, since I live in Belvedere, wh' AirBNG transiency is not allowed, and because AirBNB rentals will almost certainly make Belvedere home prices go up, after most people rather buy a house next to a house that is regular come and go people, or would they rather buy a property next where that does not happen? And, as I say, since I live in Belv4 go right ahead Tiburon, O.K. short term rentals and raise the v Belvedere home. Thank Remove (/,tl?/INRKT (/profile/28321) from Belvedere `" Carlos, I hope you guys prevail in Tiburon, because this issue properly vetted in Belvedere. Further, I wonder if this doesn't r. constitutional issue that ultimately may need to be tested in th what extent is this ban a partial "taking of property"? Years ag to ban building permits on second homes that were being use rentals. That went over like a lead balloon as local businesses TRPA relented. Dr. Rothman's concerns regarding drug addict bands taking up residence? There are already civil ordinances statutes that regulate antisocial and illegal behavior. How muc government do we want in our lives? At what point do we let t government dictate our livelihoods? I may never use Airbnb or shouldn't I have the right to earn income from my hard earned investments? Further, I am proud of where I live. I do not mind tourists flock here to see this magical place. The NIMBYs that restrict reasonable access to our community may get their wis expect retail to continue to support a community that cannot F. local economy. Thank Remove Donal (/profile/43106/), Matthew (/profile/2345624/), and Ellen thanked James (/profile/28321/) (/ i y l 98)(/profile/2412298) from Belvedere James, I cannot help but note that your supposed solution to + transient, short term rentals, "There are already civil ordinance criminal statutes that regulate antisocial and illegal behavior." fact actions, in other words, after the unfortunate events take! they have been shown to do, frequently, in San Francisco. Alst more importantly, the violations will have been committed by t renters, who will, of course, be long gone by the time the auth. seek, consequently ineffectively, to punish the abuses the sho renting miscreants have perpetrated on neighbors. Thank Remove Cathy (/profile/355362/) thanked William (/profile/2412298/) (/, 6i llri4vj' (/profile/28321) from Belvedere Dr. Rothman, let me see if I understand you correctly...a rock t residence next door to you, you call the police because the nc you, and they are long gone? I think we may need a new polio if that is the case. Consequently, I don't think that starving roc and "crack heads" can afford the rental rates in our communit event, I respect your opinion. Thank Remove Matthew (/profile/2345624/) thanked James (/profile/28321/) (/9 I {yioMprofile/43106) from Belvedere Home value and absent owners? The Police Blotter in the Ark shortage of theft of valuables reports "when the owners were we all know, many Belvedere and Tiburon homes are owned b are somewhere else for extended periods. I am not a RE agen• bought property and considered Belvedere. The possibility of a significant factor in a property I considered. If I had to choos 'vacant' and 'occupied' for the house next door, I would go wi Counter to the SF Chronicle 'news' reports (no one reports go. believe that the vast majority of vacation -rentals in Tiburon (an Belvedere) go unnoticed because the visitors are well -behave( respectful of the neighbors. It is a bit disappointing to find NIMBY responses from folks wt - advocate personal freedom. Thanked! Remove You, James (/profile/28321/), and Gary (/profile/1569616/) thar (/profile/43106/) (/ grepg/pipfile/3081919) from Bel Aire/Cypress Hollow I have to wonder what the neighbors would think of me, shoul+ property out as an Airbnb more than just occasionally? Seems decides it is more profitable to rent via Airbnb, than an out ant property, that the potential to disturb the residents of the corm greater. Perhaps part of the regulations that need to be applie( property not become a full-time short term rental? Or is this all provision in Airbnb lingo? I personally would be tempted to rer most of the year, so that I could still access the property when could not do this with a full time rental. I can also see where, s this, the neighbors would be concerned and possibly object. ).f they tolerate constant comings and goings of strangers? I gue asking, what exactly are "reasonable rules" for short term rent for or against Airbnb at this point, per se. I just can see both si issue. Edited 5d ago Thank Remove Cathy (/profile/355362/) thanked Susan (/profile/3081919/) (/ 8iggy lmgg)(/profile/2412298) from Belvedere Mr. Draeger, with respect to the "rock band" instance, of court would come promptly, but the problem with that circumstance rock band, as AirBNB short term tansient renters would have r not make noise in the first place, or to repeat the offense the s third night, because they have never before been your neighb( never again be your neighbor. That is very different than the sii permanent resident. But, I agree, the "long gone" issue would the immediate instance with the rock band, but let me also asi consider such things as not putting garbage in cans, allowing defecate in front of, or on your property, those are instances w "long gone" factor would preclude effective legal enforcement consider a situation where transient renters, not knowing you, that they will never know you, or care about how you feel aboL up all nearby parking spaces? Those are the kinds of concern: and they are the kinds of things that have caused problems wl has been allowed. Thank Remove Cathy (/profile/355362/) and Barth (/profile/1268920/) thanked (/profile/2412298/) vifrEsmiNtony (/profile/28321) from Belvedere For those sceptics out there, let me offer the following: I use rr Tahoe about half of the time. The other half of the time it is lea: vacation rental. When I lease, I take a credit card and a securii also collect a hotel tax which is remitted to the city/county. In 1 that I have been doing this, I have never had a complaint from nor I have I ever experienced any kind of vandalism. Occasion something small gets broken, and I am reimbursed. The peopl our cabin are screened and have the wherewith all to pay the f someone is willing to pay $1,500 plus per night to rent my love Belvedere with vanishing edge pool and views of Angel Island: Strait and Belvedere Lagoon, it will cost him/her. But I live in tl- district of Bella Vista. I'm sure Golden Gate Avenue or BelvedE will fetch a better rate, just as it cost me dearly to rent that lov' Bart's some years ago. These kinds of renters (like me) are not they are typically high class tourists who come here to experie dream vacation. The potential vandalism and wanton defecatic been mentioned in other postings could be caused by anyone that person is an owner, long term renter, an overnighter or a c to assume that someone on vacation is more prone to trash a have come to explore while on vacation. Statistically, it doesn' unless that person is a member of Led Zeppelin or The Rolling which case you must have a very nice security deposit). On th as Donal correctly points out, many of us leave our homes vac galavant around the world. How many times have homes beer during those sojourns? Quite a few when you check The Ark For all you Tiburon residents, I wish you success. Feel free to t any of my postings that you deem helpful. I can wait to see thi vetted in Belvedere. Cheers! Edited 5d ago Thanked! Remove You and Tina (/profile/31550/) thanked James (/profile/28321/) v9t{t ilggt8i/profile/2819808) from Bel Aire/Cypress Holl( @ James, Thanks so much. This is so well said and complete!! wonder how many people who are opposed to AirBnb type sit used them for their own travels. There are many strong incenti the system to encourage good, respectful behavior. I worry much more about unoccupied homes than occupied/re Our most serious incidents over the last few years have been i we unoccupied. Numerous homes in Bel Aire are rented regularly on Airbnb-tyr I've never heard of a serious complaint in our neighborhood. most egregious behavior I've seen recently is from owners not renters. I hope that the town can focus on real issues that affect our to traffic, our schools, and public safety rather than creating cum regulations to a problem that doesn't exist. Thanked! Remove You and James (/profile/28321/) thanked Cleveland (/profile/2F (ifiyryhg2gg)(/profile/2412298) from Belvedere You note that your renters (not AirBNB) are screened. Is it your understanding that all AirBNB renters are similarly screened. T is because those renting neighbors homes may not be screen( renters are. Could you please explain how one may assure tha who rents through AirBNB has his/her renters screened. Thank Remove VigctIffIW2 Dr. Rothman, you may need to beef up your Neighborhood WE With respect to my potential guests/renters, I will screen them However, I believe the price to rent a home in Belvedere pretty screens out the riff-raff. BTW my wife and I hosted (for free) a + college sailors two years ago during the Youth World Series Ar No deposit, just very good references (their parents). We left tt and went to Tahoe for the week. No complaints, no damage, jr kids that had the time of their lives. We did get a couple of nic' out of the deal! (/profile/28321) from Belvedere Thanked! Remove You and Zoe (/profile/99937/) thanked James (/profile/28321/) (kligg /profile/2819808) from Bel Aire/Cypress Hollt You know, I'm beginning to think that anyone entering or leavir Belvedere should be subject to screening including all us resic weekend we were awakened on both Friday and Saturday nigl at a neighbor's house. We thought that maybe the neighbors' I throwing a party. It turns out that the neighbor himself and his making the noise and setting off the fireworks. Perhaps regula of all people in our communities would have prevented this da inconsiderate behavior. Thank Remove James (/profile/28321/) thanked Cleveland (/profile/2819808/) glgiprofile/883922) from Old Tiburon Belvedere may have a prohibition on short term rentals but it c appear to be enforcing it very rigorously. Currently AirBnB and 12 rental units advertised (some may be duplicates), with (in A owner's name and street address. Thanked! Remove You thanked Tony (/profile/883922/) (/Rpi E( rgfile/1268920) from Belvedere What has not been addressed in this conversation is the numk using a home for the vacation rental. A house with four or five can be maxed out with short term renters so as to make their : economical. As a neighbor of a large short term rental house, i frequency and Targe groups of folks in vacation mode that bec obnoxious. (And the garbage afterwards.). Screen all you want groups of people make noise, run BBQs and generally enjoy II Mr. Draeger, come on down to the lowest rent district on Bayv are feet from each other. It is not the screening, those in the sf• rental business do a good job of choosing their clients and I h: speak with any riff raf. However, it is the ratio of people to hou obnoxious. It may be appropriate to register the short term rer properties and set a max occupancy? Thank Remove 016t3T (/profile/2345624) from Paradise Drive As of this posting 8% of Tiburon's households have voted anc permitting short term rentals with appropriate regulations The principal roles of elected town officials in America are to n constituencies, uphold the law and hire and oversee expert to' employees in key roles Meanwhile the planning department also favors short term ren appropriate regulations We hope our elected council people don't put their personal vi ahead of their constituency's preferences, force lawbreaking b bans that they prefer not to stand behind, or ignore the expert: have hired to run the town departments Thank Remove Gary (/profile/1569616/) thanked Matthew (/profile/2345624/) (/Vij piE(gfile/1268920) from Belvedere Are you sure all these votes are from Tiburon ?? This site is op Sausalito, Belvedere and parts of Corte Madera. Is their a filter survey? It allowed me to vote. Thank Remove Matthew Le Merle (/profile/2345624) from Paradise Drive (/I(34g8)the opinion that most people favor a ban? Oi being obstreperous? Thank Remove A&i 'g f ile/1268920) from Belvedere I am of the opinion that accurate data is important when quoti whatever one's opinion on the subject.:) Thank Remove (Owig}eirefile/1569616) from Paradise Cay The number of people contributing their opinion to Colin's oris has been quite dramatic. It has also been filled with many thot comments, concerns and suggestions. There have been only comments that seem flippant or personal, which, given the siz response is quite good. The dialogue has been great but the council will be taking this days, so I strongly urge everyone to take Colin's advice and th information he provided in an earlier posting, and email the co members urging them to come up with a better solution allowi open and enforceable process. Gary Edited 4d ago Thanked! Remove You, Jyll (/profile/214503/), Barth (/profile/1268920/), and 1 off' (/profile/1569616/) ry (/�Rh►fil�A (/profile/29201) from Del Mar 4.0 Barth - the poll is open and shared with 12 Tiburon and Belvec neighborhoods - not Sausalito or Corte Madera. As you are frc you can vote. I originally included Belvedere as I thought the fE the Belvedere neighborhood was important given their proxim downtown Tiburon plus their experience with short-term renta filter out or see votes from Belvedere. The poll is totally confid. I recognize it's by no means scientific but it's been a useful fol surface both sides of the debate and it's pleasing that the disc remained civil. Neither the Town nor The Ark have a forum whE discussions can take place so Nextdoor is becoming the defai communications platform. encourage those living in Tiburon with strong opinions - no rr which side of the debate they are on to submit comments to tl Council in advance of the meeting on 2nd September. It's good to see such a lively discussions but for those who ha enough - please mute the thread so you are not deluged ! see at https://help.nextdoor.com/customer/porta... (https://help.nextdoor.com/customer/portal/articles/1656540) Edit Delete Barth (/profile/1268920/) thanked you Mikj,iwy IngB)(/profile/2412298) from Belvedere Mr. Draeger, knowing you, I am absolutely certain that you woi to very responsible people. It is my perspective that neither yo anyone else know that about anyone else. Thank Remove ( 8ig1y lypgB)(/profile/2412298) from Belvedere It is clearly important, with respect to opinions expressed, to c between people who own their home, and are therefore conce the effect of short term transient rentals in a neighborhood on values, versus renters who have no reason to consider that ha don't own the property, and often will soon be moving on. Furl while they are renting, they can make money from short term t rentals, so what do they have to lose? Thank Remove Barth (/profile/1268920/) thanked William (/profile/2412298/) (/p ioMprofile/43106) from Belvedere A major factor is being missed: people who use a Vacation Re AirBNB, etc.) will RATE the RENTAL based on the experience. expensive, premium rental in an area like Tiburon, the ratings by 'people like us' and not by the party -crowd, rock -bands, et POV of the property owner, the ratings influence both the price charged and the quality of the rental. In short, this is a self-pol homeowners will be highly motivated to rent to people who wi the tenor of the community. A minor factor that also seems to be misunderstood is the am. is required to manage a premium rental for a week or less. EVE be perfect on the arrival of the guests --better than a hotel in rr and this is not the case for monthly or yearly where the tenant: expected to take care of themselves. We do not need the government to step in where a free-marke already in place. As with the coyotes, the danger of the vacatic greatly overrated. The danger from the real-estate sales interests--Tiburon's maj. should not be overlooked. After over -promoting Tiburon to a g new -families who now find themselves house -poor, they turn t to protect another revenue source: longer-term rentals. Thanked! Remove You, James (/profile/28321/), Gary (/profile/1569616/), and 1 o- (/profile/431066 Ap yip66profile/43106) from Belvedere I agree with Dr. Rothman: renters' votes should only count as 1 a vote due to their obviously inferior status. (what rubbish!) Thank Remove (04iiilg /profile/2819808) from Bel Aire/Cypress Holy @Donal, Thanks for these important perspectives. You've raised an imr — a conflict of interest on the Council with regard to this issue at least one member of the Council is heavily involved in real e wonder if others are as well. I hope that the town's legal coun: examined this issue. Thank Remove Ellen (/profile/3176948/) thanked Cleveland (/profile/2819808/) (/ i gyftjly2gg)(/profile/2412298) from Belvedere Donal, with respect to your regarding, as "rubbish", my concei renters, as opposed to owners, would advocate transient rent they can benefit from them, but would not be effected by the c property values caused by them in a neighborhood, sorry you to be insulting, satisfied that you found you were unable to chi logic of the perspective 1 offered. Thank Remove ( { /p.g4gUppgfyle/2380101) from Bel Aire/Cypress Hollow can't agree more with those who think that this healthy debal air all opinions, after all, we do have to live with each other as In my opinion reasonable regulations/rules, maybe in the form standardized information packets to all renters who are require the instructions of face fines, would be a good compromise. T address parking, garbage, noise and other concerns. If all else to a vote. Again, voice your thoughts, its a good debate. Thanked! Remove You, Gary (/profile/1569616/), Matthew (/profile/2345624/), an( Warren (/profile/2380101/) 4)g gi0Oprofile/43106) from Belvedere Flagged my message? Offensive? Please. First, in case my comment caused confusion, I do NOT suppo Rothman's POV. I assume that we are ALL part of a community in 94920 and th people who bought at the top of the market, those who bough now live in a $3+MM house (Prop 13, Yay!), people who rent fc people who choose to rent for decades because it makes mor community; not a collection of disparate interests. Second, I find his characterization of "transient -renters" offene "renter' and have been since 2008 in Belvedere, but also a prc and have been since 1968 (in NY, WA, PA, CA, HI, and AZ as v the State and the city). Third, my reference to "three-fifths" dates back to the vote co! slaves by our founding fathers, so if anyone didn't understand offended, I meant no offense. OK, now to the substance: IF there are people who are renting then putting it up for vacation -rental, that runs counter to ever lease I have ever seen. Even commercial leases have constraii letting. It is possible that the Doctor is correct and there are sL situations, but this again is on the homeowner for not managir property. Their insurance might not even pay a claim in the evc etc. To the Doctor; I would certainly challenge his logic. Should the property be governed by a trio of government officials or shou perspective of the community be the arbiter of proper behavio wants to look at property values in 94920, don't stop with the the hill; vacancies in the downtown represent the corpses of b that have been closed and those services now require a drive we all know that issue by heart. Finally, the logic that "renters" would somehow favor a use of ultimately has the effect of raising rents escapes me. The asse renting = transient I find, in the the language of logic, ad homir Thanked! Remove You, James (/profile/28321/), Keith (/profile/35277/), and 1 othi (/profile/43106/) (/,lmg9Bpr (/profile/28321) from Belvedere I agree the word "transient" in the manner that it has been use various postings, seems offensive and especially out of place zip code. However if you are willing to spend $1000 to $10,00( for a luxury short term rental, and still be labeled a transient, th Webster should update its dictionary. Notwithstanding that use in this reckless manner, I submit that these new transients cou some much needed new commerce for Main Street and Ark R avoiding the need to constantly drive up the 131 for goods anc Here's to the New Age Transient! Thanked! Remove You, Keith (/profile/35277/), and Gary (/profile/1569616/) thank (/profile/283211) vpaiwI gg)(/profile/2412298) from Belvedere With respect to referring to AirBNB renters as transient renters as exactly the correct term, meaning come and go renters, rer a very short time. That is what AirBNB rentals are all about, isr consider this property -value logic: If one has a choice of home in the case of one of those homes next door homes are used 1 renters, and in the case of the other of those, the homes next occupied by people who do not use those homes for transient seems logical to me that the home with permanent resident ne because of that fact, elevate its value, and that the opposite w the home where neighbors are involved with transient renters? seem complicated to me.If anyone would like to refute that log. so. I am always interested in learning the perspectives of other Thank Remove Jason (/profile/4194677/) thanked William (/profile/2412298/) (/ ##ilwy,2U/624(y (/profile/2345624) from Paradise Drive Just to reiterate one point In a democracy we do rely upon our elected government offici important decisions for us However, we also expect that the process works because the) View more Thank Remove James (/profile/28321/) thanked Matthew (/profile/2345624/) W igyr g' ile/1029567) from Belvedere Totally agree with you Matthew. Given the poll results and the sentiment on this thread, the last public hearing and on the Pk Commsion, we would need to put this on a ballot if the esteen of the Town Council don't change their minds on September 2 Thank Remove Matthew (/profile/2345624/), Cleveland (/profile/2819808/), anc (/profile/3176948/) thanked Ulrik (/profile/1029567/) (i8i yj!g2g8)(/profile/2412298) from Belvedere When I refer to "transient renters", I am referring only to the va AirBNB) renters. However, in terms of interest in maintaining p values, I do distinguish between the aims of renters of longer c such as those with leases who may plan to remain in an aparti home for a longer period of time. And here, as I see it, is the d property owner's financial interest dictates that he/she cares a that a property retains or increases in value. A renter, has no rE see it, to care one way or the other about the value of the pror might even benefit if the value of the property decreased, bec landlord, facing a lower price if he/she would sell the property, charge the renter (not the transient renter) less. Thank Remove (/Omigjrefile/1569616) from Paradise Cay Mr. Rothman I've used Airbnb for stays in the most exclusive places in the v including Monaco, Pebble Beach, The Hamptons, and many, r None of them had the nonsensical restriction put on the ownei has just done. Your analysis of the consequence upon real estate values seer Any reasonable owner who uses Airbnb and sees the resale va property being compromised by it will either stop or will sell th investment to someone who isn't interested in using it that wa sensible person will deliberately harm their investment. Or, are that your neighbors are not smart enough to realize that, so th stopped before they hurt themselves or the community? It seems as if you are afraid of something else and just not will publicly. Is that the case? Otherwise, why would you let three I foist a clearly unpopular decision upon residents (contrary to t commission recommendation), essentially taking away owner; Even the People's Republic of San Francisco, the jurisdiction r socialism (aside from Boulder, CO) has come up with a better plan than the council members of Tiburon. I'm 65 years old and embrace the changing 21st century econ includes business models like Uber, VRBO, Airbnb, etc. It feel: trying to build a broad moat around yourself and force your fel community members to do the same, like it or not, through go fiat. And, I believe it hurts the downtown commercial economy Belvedere. Forcing people to your way of thinking by government fiat and their property rights isn't my idea of an open society. Let's urg to reconsider their earlier decision and come up with a reason; flexible set of rules and not the draconian model they've institt better represents their own personal opinions. Give back permission to people who own property and give th benefit of the doubt that they are smart enough and reasonabl and aren't going to do anything self-destructive to their own p that of their neighbors. Thank Remove James (/profile/28321/), Kimberly (/profile/28405/), Kimberly (/I others thanked Gary (/profile/1569616/) (/.lmrngiI714profile/4194677) from Round Hill Dr Bill, I've been a fan and supporter of yours for years but do with your POV on this matter. However, I did enjoy a big belly I comment that you enjoy the perspectives of others. not acc just wear people down until they either give up or change their POV. That's what makes you the character you are! But, you'n this one. Thank Remove James (/profile/28321/) thanked Jason (/profile/4194677/) (/ i ly219g)(/profile/2412298) from Belvedere I do not generally see things that are debated, by intelligent ar people, as having a "right" perspective or a "wrong" perspecti just different perspectives, both of which involve inherent logic instance, in the AirBNB situation, even if, as I believe is the car renting will drive down neighbors' property values, there is the fact that such rentals will increase the incomes of those who n AirBNB transient, short-term renters. Two truths, each one mili different position, based upon the interests of the different cats people involved. Someone can be interested in examining the different sides ev that do not effect them. As an example, on the street where I li line for a song, incidentally), where all recent sales have been i million to $14 million range, AirBNB is unlikely either to hurt or owners, since someone with enough money to buy a house in highly unlikely to feel the need to supplement their incomes b5 transient short term renters. So, I, as it is said, "have no skin it Rather, my involvement in this discussion is simply based upo to learn more about the perspectives and logic of others as a informing my own thinking processes. Thank Remove (/9yi0Mprofile/43106) from Belvedere The Town of Tiburon has made this topic into an "either or" pn it is natural for there to be those who favor and those who dor their own, some people might choose to do 'Vacation Rental' town and some might not. Even the owner of a house on your choose to do so. have "different perspectives" (as you put it) on the role of go, vary from "absolutely, it is their job" in the case of disaster pre "keep your hands off" in the case of what I do in my home. The issue at hand is one of neighborliness, not government, al reason NOT to object to a 'binary' regulation that is essentially one person (3 to 2) in an area where there might be conflicts o certainly a difference of opinion among those with a stake in tl• Thank Remove James (/profile/28321/) and Matthew (/profile/2345624/) thank (/profile/43106/) 7,1 (/8df�.?9,t1E91§g), (/profile/791983) from Tiburon Uplands A, Is it possible for the three or four of you to simply email each other with your thoughts and responses? Thanks. Thank Remove (/0 l gi0Oprofile/43106) from Belvedere I wish that were the case, but the Town of Tiburon has made tl community issue and this is a community forum. Perhaps the have sent out the emails or participated in this forum BEFORE an unpopular decision. BTW, isn't Tiburon Uplands slated to get a "Southern CA -style division unless the community voice is heard? Or do I have the location? Thank Remove (/ R fIlIde4 bj (/profile/46350) from Belvedere William, I have to say I truly enjoy the current banter re Airbnb. some excellent and valid points. BTW this is a discussion that going on across the country. Yes, like most I too 'have no skin there is however a precedent being created. Our kids and grar come to accept that every house on the block has Airbnb potE that is not a bad thing. Keep the banter raging, it's a wonderful side show. Thank Remove Matthew (/profile/2345624/) thanked Seamus (/profile/46350/) (rikliggy§jtgg4%(/profile/2133843) from Paradise Drive Upon further consideration I would change my vote and suppc council's ban. Less than 31 days would likely create way too r problems for neighbors. If we don't regulate this activity it will out of proportion given the demand for accommodations in be Does anyone have experience with ST rentals in their neighbor Thank Remove (, i8 y I2g8)(/profile/2412298) from Belvedere I would urge that people think about the inaccuracy of a poll ti provides, as an alternative to banning transient short term rens that are restricted by what the poller refers to as "appropriate! The phrase "appropriate regulations" can have different meani different people, and there is, I believe, fallacy in interpreting tt to mean that, if there is a majority in favor of rentals with "appy regulations", that that indicates that all such voters would still way if the regulations imposed were looser than they feel are and necessary. Thank Remove Barth (/profile/1268920/) thanked William (/profile/2412298/) • (/ ggg3er (/profile/57389) from Belvedere It's all about the parking. We live on a narrow street with very I parking and only one garage space. When the neighboring Air rent their guest house to renters who arrive with three or four have no parking. The City of Belvedere should do something r regulate parking on constricted streets by visitors than just po: that says "Restricted Parking." Thank Remove Barth (/profile/1268920/) and Matthew (/profile/2345624/) than (/profile/57389/) (/p I 110 profile/43106) from Belvedere Experience with ST rentals? (yes to both sides of the deal) It is who operate a business from their home: the vast majority of i invisible and unnoticed. There have been ST rentals in 94920 1 time without raising a stir. Now with the media coverage of Lyf and VRBO and AirBNB, there is awareness of the issue, so na problems get associated with them. Case in point: last night's FNOM/Sam's Birthday celebration. I spaces in my neighborhood were fully taken up by cars left by out-of-town here to attend that event. Our downtown got the t neighborhood got the burden, but the cars were not from ST r' On Belvedere, home -remodel brings contractors' trucks and h park in the street and use their garage for 'storage' or a 'home that loss of parking gets blamed on ST rental. Why is that? Be the news, I think. What difference does it make if a house is rented for a month 1 or to four families for a week each? Most likely the ST rental w parking impact rather than more as the week-long visitors mig car (or none), but the month or more rental will likely have two Will it "expand out of proportion" as suggested? Not likely, coi what is require to actually do a ST rental. It is not a simple as F and taking a credit-card. The cost of a rental is proportional to the experience and most of 94920 would qualify for premium 1 standard. Guests expect amenities and services that it is up to the owne Toilet clogged? You fix it fast. Internet not working? d.o. You b premium quality linen each month, clean-up between rentals (i hours typical) and re -stock the fridge and pantry. The list goes No, in worst case, the current ST rentals would pay the tax ant neighbors any more than has actually been the case (really nil) new entrants looking to cash -in will be put off by the burden o out' and the requirements of 'hosting'. Thank Remove 40, (/iog gi00profile/43106) from Belvedere Parking is a management issue. In my Maui rentals, only one c permitted and it must be parked in a specific spot. Responsibl understand that and in 94920, additional cars can find inexper on Tiburon Blvd. with only one car on the street. A rental to guests with "3-4 cars" is way out of line and rentinc house" implies that the owner's cars are also on the premises. problem. Restricting to one car on site seems reasonable where parkins The owner should be doing a better job of managing the gues expectations. One solution that has not been discussed is to require on-site (i.e. someone in 94920 who looks after the guests) rather than AirBNB as seems to be the case. Thank Remove (/ieyIIgB)(/profile/2412298) from Belvedere Mr. Brewster's concern (second comment before this one) illus believe, exactly the point I made in my comment just before hi Mr. Brewster, if he voted yes for transient short term rentals, di imagining that one of the "appropriate regulations" would limit of cars transient short term renters could park near a house. T example of one of many regulations that might or might not bE outcome. But of course, neither Mr. Brewster, nor anyone else phrase "appropriate regulations", should fall into the thinking t imagining the outcome regulations will incorporate any particu that matters to them. This is, I believe, and example of what is the well known cautionary phrase, "The Devil is in the details". Thank Remove ;, 'f, (0igirzgggivj (/profile/29201) from Del Mar Jim Fraser is one of Marin's top performing Real Estate agent. respected professional but does he have a potential conflict o- council member ? "Jim began his career in real estate as an investor and income owner, and this continues today." While it may not be the case, there could be the impression th business reasons for favoring long-term rentals and banning s rentals. Council members are usually extremely careful to avoid any irr conflict. Perhaps Jim should excuse himself from voting on an could be perceived as having a direct impact on his business. From the minutes of 19th August meeting Councilmember Fraser agreed with Councilmember 0' Donne Tiburon is primarily a residential, rather than an urban area, an residential character was important to preserve. He said that n rentals could be a nightmare; he thought that perhaps a 30 -dli good threshold, or possibly outright prohibition. Fraser suggested the Town might consider adopting a trial per day rental limitations, and widely publicize it through the Town and other means. In any event, Fraser said that it was important to address the rental issue because if nothing is done, it will only grow into a problem down the road. Edited 3d ago Edit Delete Pam (/profile/282272/) and Ellen (/profile/3176948/) thanked yc 03fi1M6,7( e/3574686) from Paradise Cay Here is a couple of links to article's in the Chronicle (can goog View more Thank Remove James (/profile/28321/) thanked Rajiv (/profile/3574686/) (f {i8iinyl72gg)(/profile/2412298) from Belvedere In reply to Mr. Crawford, (the second comment above this one with a home within 300 feet of a house that might engage in si can be said to have the same kind of conflict issue. That is wh the Council or Planning Commission considers a remodel, etc within 300 feet must excuse themselves. I am not coming dov side or the other of Mr. Fraser's situation, only pointing out a n Thanked! Remove You thanked William (/profile/2412298/) (/ {i8i y I 9g)(/profile/2412298) from Belvedere Mr. Malik (second comment before this one), when you say the transient rentals work out well, for neighbors„ in Paris, San FrE Monaco", it would be very helpful if you would please referenc quiet,single family, suburban, Tiburon -like neighborhoods you in "Paris, San Francisco and, Monaco". Having visited all 3 Ioc one, do not see their ambiance as being similar to that of Tibu whatever further elucidation you could provide would certainly welcome. Thank Remove (/1381&A'(4 je/3574686) from Paradise Cay Not looking to get drawn into a 1:1 here, but point being, therE cities, towns, villages across the world that actively allow vacs or short term rental's, just look it up. Many of these locations like 94920, some even in Marin County - that's what promptec discussion at the outset. Thanked! Remove You, James (/profile/28321/), Gary (/profile/1569616/), and 2 o (/profile/3574686/) (/913}� refile/1569616) from Paradise Cay I've stayed at those locales as well as Pebble Beach and Carn have every bit the ambiance as Tiburon and our surrounding a don't have the draconian restrictions as put forth by the Counc So, why not rethink the 30 day minimum stay and no resource enforcement? Put in something less restrictive and give prope the benefit of the doubt that they will make the effort to screer the use by their tenants. If that shows not to work out then ma requires some fees that would pay for enforcement or then go restrictive model. Don't restrict it out of fear without giving it a chance to work. Thanked! Remove You, James (/profile/28321/), Matthew (/profile/2345624/), and (/profile/1569616/) ( igigyftjl gg)(/profile/2412298) from Belvedere Mr. Zieses, although have not visited Pebble Beach, my perce Carmel, when I visited there was that it is largely a tourist towr that some people may wish Tiburon to emulate that model, bu many others would not see that as a desirable goal. Thank Remove (,fl It( S glile/1268920) from Belvedere Seems more facts are in order to reach an informed conclusioi Tiburon officials. What reasons have been given for cities to hz short term rentals? What were the results of their bans, both o economies and the neighboring properties. Still unclear on nes positives of these actions. Thank Remove Matthew (/profile/2345624/) thanked Barth (/profile/1268920/) (/p ip6iprofile/43106) from Belvedere In case no one has noticed, Tiburon has changed and that chE continuing. Based on business -profits, it is a "tourist -town" wi street that no longer provides the shops that cater to basic coi needs as existed when Dr. Rothman, for example, became a n the community. There is no filling station, hardware store or any place where o some household item repaired. If not for the recent arrival of C would be no pharmacy. There are no venues that cater to olde activities like skate parks for example. There are no medical -c except for a couple of dentists. Yet every block hosts a real -es and Main Street features specialty women's fashions and rest Thousand of square feet of vacant space can be found downti plans are in place to replace one of the few remaining "charas (New Morning et al) yet with another modern residential unit. There are no carpenters, electricians, plumbers or other craft -1 here --far too expensive --nor does Tiburon resemble the "beds community" where I lived when working on Wall Street. Peopk( each other and helped out when an extra hand was needed fi> or hanging a picture or putting together a bookcase. Workers 1 hours or more each way to service our town, but the expectati their services be "reasonably -priced" (meaning, cheap). I do not know how many people who have a house in Tiburon spend a substantial part of the year somewhere else, but I woi surprised to learn that it is similar to the percentage in a typicE residential community. Don't get me wrong, I love the community; we just need to se they are and accept that some might want to reduce the cost by offering ST rental to visitors. Thank Remove James (/profile/28321/) and Matthew (/profile/2345624/) thank (/profile/43106/) ApitmE(62 file/1268920) from Belvedere Donal Botkin, You are absolutely right on the "tourist -town" as area and the regretful way Belvedere and Tiburon have evolve years of short sighted governmental direction we have lost the businesses that provide the basic services. The businesses he replaced by over priced grocery stores, restaurants and dress However, I must correct you, there are still carpenters, electric plumbers and other craft workers living here. I am one of there also the fixed income folks and generations living together in f bought years ago in a place chosen by past generations. By h crook we have been able to hang on here. We may have paid mortgages and are fortunate that Prop13 saved us in the 197C were being taxed out of our homes when the real estate price: towns were driven up by the "new money" moving in. Each ye rise with additional bond measures that educate local children open spaces, provide fire districts, and sewer services. And do the utility underground districts forced on us by local governm myopic residents so that they are not offended by the "unsighi as property owners pay for these things for the community. Inc many restrictions of the town building departments that make: prohibitive to improve our own property because of the fees fc and the fees for the judgement of a design review committee. lucky (and work for cheap), we are the remaining help employ( off neighbors. We have been fortunate to have old roots in the that allow us to age in place because we live frugally. We do n bank accounts, second homes or the ability to vacation. We rr of the area for basic goods, and employ no services ourselves be no more of our "middle class" kind moving into the area. W to cash in our properties because we are physically not able tc social security check will be a necessity, not extra cash. For of us locals, and if we are lucky, there will be an available low co: unit for us so we can stay in the place we love, but odds are vt out of the area. The price of a rental here is prohibitive, especi. short term rental industry moves into town. It is all economics changing times. Thank Remove Matthew (/profile/2345624/) and Susan (/profile/3081919/) that (/profile/1268920/) ( ren/ jlg21g8)(/profile/2412298) from Belvedere Here is what I think is an interesting issue: If the Town allows a to provide short term transient rentals, and as seems to be wh promote, requires a business license, then does the town lose a later date, to revoke that right for previously granted busines For instance, when I first moved here, and was looking in Tibu house to use as a medical office, the real estate agent showec homes in residential areas which had been rezoned so that ne offices and commercial business could no longer be establish' because, some of the houses had had medical office use at th zoning change, such sites were "grandfathered" into the new could still be used as Medical Offices. This raises the question business licenses for short term transient rental homes would from ever having such a use prohibited, as long as the owner I for the business license. Yes the issues surrounding, and cons embarking on a policy of allowing short term transient rentals i complex than one would wish. As it is said: Act in haste, regre Thank Remove vtAclifhig.22r4.T (/profile/2345624) from Paradise Drive Mr Rothman. You have it the wrong way around We all currently have the right to rent out our homes as short t as until recently did almost every other home owner in Americ is as old as applepie. It was considered a cornerstone of the c the United States of America John Adams "The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is sacred as the laws of God ... anarchy and tyranny commence. MUST BE SECURED OR LIBERTY CANNOT EXIST" James Madison "Government is instituted to protect property of every sort .... the end of government, that is NOT a just government,... nor h secure under it, where the property which a man has ... IS VIO ARBITRARY SEIZURES OF ONE CLASS OF CITIZENS FOR TI OF THE REST" The founding father's guiding principle was that people come form governments in order to SECURE their rights to property create an entity which wilt, itself, "take from the mouths of lab it has earned." What was wrong for individual citizens to do to they believed, WAS EQUALLY WRONG FOR GOVERNMENT 1 THEM Our town has required us to get permits for short term rentals fees (taxes) - but this is not a new right by any means What is new here, is that the town is contemplating taking awE every other residents right - reducing our property rights in the And they want to take away that right from about 3,000 house because perhaps 5 houses have been creating disturbances. - EXACTLY WHAT THE FOUNDING FATHERS MEANT WHEN TI OF ARBITRARY SEIZURES, AND GOVERNMENT DOING WH/ BE WRONG IF INDIVIDUALS DID IT It would be equivalent to the city creating a new law that says Doctors are banned from posting online. Because one or two I aggravate others when they do so. The remedy would by no way fit the illness. But more fundamE action would directly contradict the right to freedom of speed - the constitution. The correct remedy is to apply existing disturbance of the pea make sure they are put into force consistently. NOT TO ARBITRARILY SEIZE PROPERTY RIGHTS FROM U.S AND TIBURON/BELVEDERE RESIDENTS Thank Remove James (/profile/28321/), Kimberly (/profile/28405/), Steve (/pro - other thanked Matthew (/profile/2345624/) ( i8i y IF2gg)(/profile/2412298) from Belvedere Mr. Le Merle, my posting simply asked a question. Although yc alluded to property rights statements made by various of the " Fathers", I would point out that your response offered only opi property rights, but cited not one sentence of the Constitution law that would support your contention that such a business li operated a short term transient rental "business". once issued without just cause, be revoked. However distinguished may b( to whose words you referred, nothing you cited, so far as I col involved legal precedent bearing on the matter at hand Thank Remove $ap(/�Il�grfgrl�pfile/3176948) from Tiburon Uplands ' LT I very much appreciate, and agree with, Donal's comments. TI much! Thank Remove (4iiig62; g] (/profile/2345624) from Paradise Drive Mr Rothman So sorry. I thought that as American born (which I am not) you your constitution, bill of rights and amendments Read the 5th amendment of the bill of rights which states "Noi [anyone] be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due pn Nor shall private property be taken for public use without just compensation." The first clause is called the "due process" cl< the second part is referred to as the "takings" clause. Typically, the "due process" clause requires that Federal authc arbiters where local governments seek to seize specific propel their residents. Of course I am not a lawyer. This link will also be helpful http://fee.org/freeman/private-property-... (http://fee.org/freem property -and -government -under -the -constitution/) Thank Remove James (/profile/28321/) and Donal (/profile/43106/) thanked Mi (/profile/2345624/) (/ i8' y jlggg8)(/profile/2412298) from Belvedere The "due process of law" means nothing, except that the govE makes a law or a regulation to achieve what it wants. That is process". As for just compensation, that is exactly why I am CI that the business license right to operate a short term transien business could not, without just cause, be revoked, once it ha granted, unless there was "just compensation". How much we need to pay to achieve a "just" level of "compensation"? I don it would, I think, be potentially very complicated. As for the go. right to limit what you do with your property, I would ask what zoning regulations to be, if you do not consider them limiting v do with your own property? If, indeed, you feel that, based upon the Constitution quotes y provided, it would be unconstitutional for the Town to ban sho transient rentals, then those wanting a continuation of such rei only go to court if the Town tries to ban them. Lots of luck, I th Thank Remove (/ ificy IIINB)(/profile/2412298) from Belvedere Additional comment based upon SF Chronicle article today. SI quote, today: "San Francisco isn't the only city pushing back to -peer lodging. Santa Monica passed a law banning the rent for less than 30 days. The ruling affected 1,400 of 1,700 listing three home -stay websites." Perhaps they have found a result of which Tiburon residents v. to be aware. Thank Remove (/pgi gioMprofile/43106) from Belvedere Be very careful what you wish for .. . To spare those who find this issue tedious, a succinct respons Not by 'government'; by just one vote, a real-estate interest (one should note). Passing laws is not the end, for the law it must defend by enforcement, police and all, stopping visitors with a call: "Where stay you on this scene!" The reply should be "Cliff Road, 14" or any other street address, to thwart this government excess. Thank Remove Gary (/profile/1569616/) thanked Donal (/profile/43106/) (/Rdinl19 j (/profile/29201) from Del Mar 41 Santa Monica City Council has adopted a home -sharing ordin• bans the rental of an entire unit for less than 30 days and requ who take part in allowable home -sharing to obtain a business the city and pay a 14% hotel tax. The law takes effect June 15 says proceeds from the hotel tax will help pay for enforcement an analyst to find illegal rentals online. The ordinance makes a clear distinction between what Santa I officials term "home -sharing" and "vacation rentals." Home -sl - requires the primary resident of the space to live "on-site durir visitor's stay." Vacation rentals, as defined by Santa Monica ar 30 days or less in which the guest "enjoys the exclusive privat unit." The new ordinance deems vacation rentals illegal if the proper approved for permanent residence. A review of airbnb and VRBO shows a significant number of pi being listed despite the ban. The Tiburon Planning Commission had suggested something ideal and I'd prefer that all short-term rentals were permitted b the outright ban that was proposed by three Tiburon council rr Edit Delete vOifitp6ytp8B)(/profile/2412298) from Belvedere Donal, I completely agree that balance between individual righ community rights is a vital aspect of our society. The question where, with respect to any particular aspect of life, the ... Vievl Thank Remove Matthew (/profile/2345624/) thanked William (/profile/2412298, (/RRyfflisl9+ggtrj (/profile/29201) from Del Mar 4.► Comments from the council members opposing short-term rer referencing "maintaining the residential fabric of our neighbor sounds like some snippet from a homeowner's association rul council has a responsibility to ensure there is a proper balance among the community as a whole - the residents, the business merchants. At the very crux of this issue - is the key question - what is the council is trying to solve ? Short-term rentals have been managed largely without inciden years. The council is now trying to anticipate a problem - that there v commercialization of tranquil neighborhoods and major nuisar caused to residents. However there is absolutely no evidence the case. Personally I'd prefer them to spend their energies solving our t school bus problems - those are real issues impacting our neic If there are nuisance issues deal with them. An outright ban is correct solution. Edit Delete Gary (/profile/1569616/) and Sheila (/profile/2091203/) thanker 04i6fiigY (/profile/96528) from Old Tiburon The discussion would be helpful if we respect one another's ci Thank Remove (/9 Iia profile/43106) from Belvedere If "one another's concerns" were respected, this discussion w have started. Unfortunately, the repudiation of personal respor become the norm. It is incumbent upon the homeowner to be responsible for thei and consideration of one's neighbors is paramount. That duty legislated. It is not even certain that 'vacation rentals' have created any p parking and noise issues that are feared have been reported it since long before AirBNB became newsworthy. The costs to the owner of a "vacation -rental" will make this a r once the newsworthiness vanishes and the responsibilities are for. Creating an international Destination Tiburon campaign and th the most attractive residential venue for the visitors isn't thoug governance. Require a permit and collect a tax, yes; take away personal an rights based on unsubstantiated fear -mongering by the media plan. Thanked! Remove You and Ellen (/profile/3176948/) thanked Donal (/profile/4310( (/4 I {qi profile/43106) from Belvedere BTW, I hope that the "concerns" the elected council -member respected are not just her own. Thanked! Remove You and Matthew (/profile/2345624/) thanked Donal (/profile/4; (/#fitgtipa, (/profile/2345624) from Paradise Drive My lack of Nextdoor sophistication meant that I posted this ini posting rather than under this one. Deleted the other posting here. Causes of Disturbances of the Peace in Tiburon and Belveden After reading the discussions concerning the banning of short in Tiburon and Belvedere because of the small number of disti the peace that have been reported, I was curious regarding wt causes of disturbances in our town. I thought that some data might help our officials make informe this coming Sept 2. In a most unscientific way, I gathered up all the copies of the / find in our house (not a complete set by any means) and read classified the disturbances reported in the Tiburon and Belved Logs and the Tiburon Peninsula Sheriffs log This is what I found in order of frequency 1. Out in front by a landslide, Juvenile/High School parties anc gatherings 2. Family rows and husband/wife arguments 3. Individuals showing signs of Alcohol use being noisy along and streets including "troubled individuals" 4. Noisy gardening equipment being used on the wrong days Short term rental disturbances did not make the lists at all, the 2 and 3. above included some short term renters. The police c would know the facts - since they would have taken the detail; people creating the disturbances. If the Town Council's of Tiburon and Belvedere want to addreE disturbances of the peace in Tiburon this is where they should applying and enforcing existing laws and regulations would ap the best first course of action. Of course, a more scientific assessment of the Police and She might enable a more informed decision making process for ou officials. I believe our Planning Department favors applying and enforcii appropriate regulations to short term rentals, rather than the ai nuclear option of taking away all residents property rights by a ban Comments? Edited 2d ago Thanked! Remove You, Zoe (/profile/99937/), and Sheila (/profile/2091203/) thank (/profile/2345624/) (/1'T (/profile/28321) from Belvedere Colin, the difference between Homeowner Associations and tl• is that you agree to the HOA rules in advance before you buy you don't like the rules, then you don't buy the home. The HO, with the land and appear on your preliminary title report, so yo you are getting into. The Town Council on the other hand is abridging your rights e; You don't get a vote. I agree with Matthew, this is a violation of property rights. UnI€ can show a compelling reason why your property rights shod( it is illegal. This may need to be tested in the courts ultimately. I wish you luck this week! Thank Remove :.( ." _l (I�RyfPlgrztyg9q (/profile/29201) from Del Mar 4,0 @Alice I think we are all in agreement that if a renter causes a then the property owner should be dealt with accordingly. Nor the tranquility of our neighborhoods disturbed. However, polio based on "concerns" rather it should be based on evidence th need to address a significant problem. So far the evidence indicates that over many years, short -tern - proceeded without any major issues. Yes, there have been a c incidents highlighted but as Matt points out, there are plenty o nuisance items happening in Tiburon as recorded in the Police While there are "concerns" over the commercialization of neigl and neighborhood nuisance issues - there is very limited evide up these worries. In this thread and other submissions to the council there is a lc argument from home owners and local businesses as to why t not be an outright ban. If there was strong evidence of probler the first to push for strong regulation and even a ban. I consider that based on the current data it would be very irres the Town Council to pass on 2nd September the ordinance for ban on short-term rentals and to over -rule the recommendatio own planning commission. The Town Council needs to deliver conclusive evidence as to needs to be an ordinance on the books for a complete ban. The council wants to enforce a complete ban (with penalties) I: have the will or resources to oversee a regulated solution - thi; make a lot of sense. Edit Delete James (/profile/28321/), Donal (/profile/43106/), and Sheila (/pt thanked you (, J J 'profile/355362) from Belvedere ok Colin, here is an example. Walk up 65 stairs to your carport next door short term renter has parked behind your car and yc out. Walk down 65 stairs to knock on the door, ask the person their car, go back up 65 stairs and wait. Missing any appointor going to. This is an example. calling the police to tow the car is an absurd waste of police ti the short term renter cannot be found. Extreme inconvenience picked up a lot of garbage. It is not so simple on narrow street Tiburon where there is very little parking. I have stayed out of t so many are appearing to make a consensus. I assure you the like me who have stayed out of it. Sanibel Island City has the ordinance with 1 month minimum rental for houses. 1 week mi condo's. FYI There is not much the property owner can be hel for in cases like this. Zoning is another item. We are residentia commercial. Thank Remove (/39yioMprofile/43106) from Belvedere Hi Cathy, How about you have your neighbor's phone number on speed call them up to solve the problem? I totally agree: you were ba by your neighbor's management of their guest, but while it is c there was bad behavior by your neighbor, it is not clear that th rental is inherently bad. Would you block someone's car? Of c Another example: the BLC reserves spaces in the shopping CE tenant parking. They are numbered and clearly marked 'resery parents who have kids in the adjacent nursery school feel entii those spaces rather than wait in the queue next door to pickul the kid. Who is to blame? I submit that it is the assumption of entitlement by the over-pri class that allows these breaches of behavior and they get awa partly because of anonymity, but mostly because consideratio needs of others is not part of the decision to act. Make your neighbor feel the shame of their bad behavior? Too and that is the core of the problem. Thanked! Remove You, James (/profile/28321/), and LesLeigh (/profile/2610778/) (/profile/43106/) (/,gm,{Ncr (/profile/28321) from Belvedere Rude behavior transcends the issue of AirbnbNRBO. It can hE people as guests/renters/owners. To classify this problem as r days or less is fallacious. We have laws and ordinances against blocking driveways, ma much noise or generally acting obnoxious. There are existing remedies for all of the arguments against sh rentals. Enforce the rules that are already in place to address antisocia behavior. Do not punish the community for the bad behavior o minority. We do not need new laws abridging our private property right Thanked! Remove You, Sheila (/profile/2091203/), Matthew (/profile/2345624/), ar James (/profile/28321/) (/j22g(/profile/2345624) from Paradise Drive Cathy With respect calling the Tiburon or Belvedere Police is EXACTI abiding resident should do if a vehicle is illegally parked, incluc emergency vehicle access, blocking fire hydrants, making it irr other residents to pass etc etc They will come and try and contact the owner, ticket if necessi warranted That is their job It's why we pay big bucks to Tiburon and Belvedere Police an( peninsula sheriff Would you prefer they sit for hours at Blackies pasture in the h car will come past at 50mph in a 40mph zone? Why would you think that a better solution is to expropriate thl rights of perhaps 3,500 households because you were blocke( and did not feel like calling your friendly law enforcement office Thanked! Remove You and James (/profile/28321/) thanked Matthew (/profile/23L (/ i,B' y lypg8)(/profile/2412298) from Belvedere In thinking about the objections raised, it appears to me that tl theme is concern about whether people renting, to stay in a sr transient rental homes, are less likely, because they "are only F through", to be considerate of neighbors than people living in prolonged period. Logic would dictate that the answer is yes, - likely to be less considerate of neighbors. I am not clear why tl be obvious to anyone thinking about the matter. Whether or ix is negative enough to ban short term transient rentals is clear!! dispute, but please, please, please, advocates for the rentals, logic, just to make an argument that will earn you a few extra k short term transient renters. Thank Remove ; ippgiinsynIe/1167125) from Belvedere `"' It seems that the problems happen when the home is rented a living there. If the owner is living in the home and is renting sp< Airbnb, it is much less likely that there would be problems witt Why not regulate it that way? Thanked! Remove You thanked Mac (/profile/1167125/) (i4 (/profile/2345624) from Paradise Drive Dr Rothman Re -reading your posts I do agree I did miss one of your points You were concerned that just compensation might be an issue Licenses were issued and could not be revoked While ... View more Thank Remove (/Y198)(/Profile/2412298) from Belvedere Mr. Couto's comment demonstrates clearly the lack validity in calls for "appropriate regulation", as opposed to a ban. Severe commenters, including Mr Couto, have described what they w consider elements that should be included in regulations for tl- regulations to be considered "appropriate". But beware, some not consider the elements advocated by Mr. Couto to be nece "appropriate". Perhaps that same warning should be taken se' many pro short term transient rental advocates, who may have to a program that will not include regulations that they deem a and necessary, but which since they voted yes, they will be co favoring. Thank Remove (/yjji8i y il2g8)(/profile/2412298) from Belvedere Mr. Le Merle, regarding your comment (the second before this constitutional expert had advised you that Tiburon banning sh transient rentals would be a violation of the Constitution, unles rental owners received just financial compensation for the "tak use of their income -providing asset, I would suggest that you' breath until you find an attorney to actually pursue such a mat curious did the attorney who advise you say that he/she woulc case? Thank Remove ( iliirhgB)(/profile/2412298) from Belvedere One other thought Mr. Le Merle, several commenters have nar where short term transient rentals had been taking place in the any rules, but where they had then been banned. If such a city cut and dried unconstitutional, then there certainly must have successful lawsuits to block such banning. Do you know of an attorney who advised you say that he/she knew of any such si lawsuits? Thank Remove (/ 1u2W624t (/profile/2345624) from Paradise Drive Thank you Dr Rothman. Now you are asking the right question And please note I am not a lawyer However, I did not say that the banning of short term rentals w unconstitutional. I said that the 5th amendment to the bill of tic that governments need to prove that they followed "due proce determining whether to remove citizens property rights, and al they decide to do so, they have to pay the citizen compensatic economic value of the property right removed under the secor clause" The expropriation by local governments of property rights for rentals is a new phenomena in the US driven by AirBnb and sii Right now many governments are debating whether to ban so their home owners from renting their properties. The first of a I court cases are being filed around the issue -3 it, trial at this time ar to be being settling in favor E have been expropriated (thoug i/work/to... n/work/topics/constitutional-rig ty-of-sedona/) ber of governments are putting ropriate evaluation by their staff 3/2015-05-31/s... s/2015-05-31 /savannah-homeo ights) t considered the issue and madE onstitution and the bill of rights ending fathers were explicit in th. ,ccelerate the issue quickly to th< ers want to take these cases rigl- half of the entire class of propert ights taken away from them. The sis in some cases. for off road parking for 40 cars or een by neighbors. Short term ren disturb neighbors even if they w onale for taking away this proper) ime? <ed Matthew (/profile/2345624/) 21) from Belvedere ally reading the Bill of Rights and! .ur democracy. It is unfortunate thv 3less when it comes to this very in )wn of Tiburon has drawn an arbitr a "compelling state interest" for n r the Constitution when personal ri ed by the Town as reasons for dra have remedies already codified under local ordinances and stE believe the Town has taken the easy route by simply caving in complaints of a very small minority of its constituents. Thank Remove Donal (/profile/43106/) and Stacey (/profile/4735614/) thanked (/pgioMprofile/43106) from Belvedere Lawyers, guns and money ... (Jimmy Buffett) A common misconception: "It's unconstitutional; file a lawsuit! Fact: a constitutional claim requires a showing of actual dama some cases, a 'chilling effect' on a fundamental right). Suppositions: 1) there is no money in a 'constitutional' challenge (no $'s = nc 2) there is no 'actual damage' until someone gets arrested or f violating one of the hastily -crafted prohibitions that are makint Then the gloves come off. 3) enforcing a ban on the use of one's property will be very dif implement without invoking '1984' and turning neighbor again Sometimes --very, vary rarely --a 'constitutional' claim will rever government official that result in other legal issues, both civil a This is why 'Ready!, Fire!, Aim!' is not a good plan for elected dealing with controversial and ambiguous issues. Thank Remove (,]Y4298)(/profile/2412298) from Belvedere Mr. Le Merle, I appreciate you taking the effort to look into the involved. I draw the following essence from your findings: The are very complex, and whatever the Federal constitution may "takings", the Federal Constitution only, to the best of my kno) respect to commerce (business) effects matters of interstate c would doubt that the fact that someone from another state, re term transient room, or home, would qualify such as being a rr interstate commerce. At any rate, I think that you and I can agi issue of the rights of local jurisdictions to regulate activities on property is complex. Thank Remove (/ {f/ etivirge/2380101) from Bel Aire/Cypress Hollow Bill, It seems that no matter how many times you reply, your opinic the vast minority (78%-22%) so please stop saying the same 1 and over. You have a point of view that does not reflect the me neighbors and the more that you belabor your unpopular poinl reduces your message. Get over it, you are in the vast minority rentals are here, learn to live with it! Thank you, Warren Thank Remove James (/profile/28321/) and Gary (/profile/1569616/) thanked V (/profile/2380101 /) (I ffi 2 r (/profile/28321) from Belvedere Dr. Rothman, that is not entirely correct. The federal governme will step in when a state or local governmental agency attemp• local citizenry of a fundamental right. Further, state constitutioi mirror the US Constitution when it comes to fundamental right this issue is ripe for federal intervention depends on a number has the claimant exhausted all of his or her administrative rem seeking judicial oversight, etc.? Take a look at the civil rights n the '60s or same sex marriage which was just recently decide( Thank Remove (/ i8i i y lg298)(/profile/2412298) from Belvedere Mr. Lee (comment two before this one), if you check what I ha, have never stated an opinion on this matter, I have only sough attention to issues surrounding it. As, to any personal stake I n the decision, as I have pointed out, since the homes on my str the range of $8 million to $14 million, and those who have bou have enough income to do so, it seems hardly likely that my ni would be interested in making the extra bucks they could rece short term transient rentals. See, that may seem to you that I c expressing an opinion about what should be done, but really, i an observation. Thank Remove AwiI 1100profile/43106) from Belvedere Never under -estimate the willingness of the wealthy to seek w. increase their wealth. Note: the 'vacation -rental' in this case to of a cash -less exchange with another wealthy associate or frie and it will be invisible, un -enforceable and probably happen m Belvedere than in Tiburon. Thank Remove James (/profile/28321/) thanked Donal (/profile/43106/) tcr (/profile/28321) from Belvedere 47 That was the original concept behind Home Away and the holi some years ago with Carmen Diaz and Kate Winslet. Theoretic kinds of exchanges would be outlawed as well, since the cons form of bartering. It becomes a slippery slope as the form of c falls into those gray areas of a favor for a favor. Once again, th the very substance of one's private property rights. m Belvedere ay sleep under the bridges of I Aitutional challenge will becorr 4) from Hawthorne Terrace calculates ones total income fc to the IRS, and sends hosts the get taxed. By the state and Fec ply stopped vacation rentals by vner has to occupy the house v Dpriate. from Bel Aire/Cypress Hollow vor of Airbnb are those most int ling to be ashamed of. Those nc a cash, and are not too ... View 'oro' )81919/) ) from Del Mar if there was any possible conflk Ir. I was assured that these circu! for Councilmember Fraser. from Belvedere rrent residents, Tiburon had a rai )n" sits today. Back a few more y d of the "other side of the tracks' y values and incomes place Tibur but that wealth is not of the I nor is it 'old money' of the kind r ffense, but the local wealth may it and the reluctance to have that star There are more serious threats 1 urope hanging out next-door for a 'estination Tiburon' initiative) Look around: new young families (kids aged 2 to 6 or so) have replace the 'old folks', maybe they demolished the 1960's-vini build bigger, better, etc. I cannot predict the future, but I can ft 100% accuracy that in ten years, those kids will be in High Sc then? There will be some issues to deal with over the next decade 0 - vacation -rental a {what was that thing that was supposed to c everything from the PC to the microwave -oven back in 1999?) What is disappointing (probably reflecting the membership of NextDoor.com) is that no one has weighed in to defend the int enabled, disruptive, individual -empowering technology that m. vacation rental possible. Considering that the source of the ec power that has boosted house prices is correlated with that to silence is unexpected. Thank Remove MISIMgeggirmysijl (/profile/2945657) from Bel Aire/Cypress Ho 1. Tiburon is a quiet, peaceful residential community. We don't to lock doors as we know our neighbors, and we know the col be safe. Do we want strangers in our midst and the town to bE international tourist destination with vagrants we cannot hold for stolen property and other damage? 2. Tiburon has at least two large hotels to accommodate short vacationers. There are hundreds in the Marina just over the bri several around Marin county for yacht and tennis clubs. Do WE the million dollar properties next door to become a series of hs about our children, will they be safe from sex offenders and of 3. The Cove at Tiburon allows short term rentals. When you sa rental" do you also mean a short term lease and to what exten Cove lease only six month terms, annual terms? And while on how often can that rent be raised within terms? What is a "flex and will that no longer be flexible? 4. Do property insurance policies/leases cover AirBnB/tourists vandalism, noise, and other disturbances to peaceful enjoyme short term renters/homeowners know State Laws? If local poli resources are used to enforce them, are people okay with the rental society moving in, and the locals moving out requiring e regulation and support from police? How do you enforce laws and elsewhere? 5. Clearly, people are renting out rooms or homes to pay a mo cannot or do not wish to pay when they are not there and to o Rental prices and mortgages are at an all time high. I think it 15 get real about the standard of living vs. what is being offered.. junkiest parts of the million dollar homes, or properties that mu "prime". This hurts the building trade, and ultimately affects to leading to a general state of dilapidation. 6. Our schools are crowded. Some people lease in Tiburon wit 's to is th : of private schools or public sc iitor the re-leasing aspects of ar addresses to access our scl me way in and one way out roa )usinesses using those roads. I : several rooms in a property, tr at? Do we want our roads flooc re about the mess they leave t nto Sausalito with rented bikes mecca of strangers, or remain t Rodeo Drive) it has been for yE staurants, Starbucks, mass ret ,u prefer long lines of tourists? :e revenue from hotels and mot( Iscient folks in a more formal se tomer forms, and traceable mec ousinesses have been here for se. that Tiburon is not a commodity to those not in favor to protect ti gin with. I believe the safety of o &ernative revenue streams. I als rvn assets and services, and find attract a set number of stranger lines and cues, and to support tl jrant rental trade. d Susan (/profile/3081919/) thank 2298) from Belvedere )se different "regulations", makinc act that the pro short term transiE :late regulations", but what one p( triction appears, from the comme arson considers appropriate, and (pparent in the comments, are the yes to short term transient rentals izing the restrictions they assume thanked William (/profile/2412298 )1) from Del Mar gat 'espond in detail to your concerns .ori • )Iy happen -only to point out that for many, many years via VRBO a d all the problems you quote have happened. There is no evidence we're suddenly going to be co messy, uncaring vagrants who are going to destroy the charac town. Edit Delete James (/profile/28321/), Sheila (/profile/2091203/), and Sherrin thanked you (/wiqtylrpgivol profile/4194677) from Round Hill Hesitate to start name calling but this thread is reaching the ric Face it; there are some CAVE People among us. They are the( Against Virtually Everything. There is no amount of common SE discussion to be had with them. Hope the Council members h reading this thread and Support the views of the vast majority selfish interests of the CAVE people. Thanked! Remove You, James (/profile/28321/), Keith (/profile/35277/), and 3 othf (/profile/4194677, (/#li��rgljin (/profile/37011) from Belvedere Everyone should read the SF Chron - article on airbnb - today change some peoples minds either for or against...it will be int see the final solution....to the Belvedere-rian communities curr concern.... Thank Remove Sherrin (/profile/2624770, and Cathleen (/profile/2945657, thi (/profile/37011, (/Rp@rA (/profile/2945657) from Bel Aire/Cypress Ho Gentlemen, the "shared economy" is only getting started. Be you wish for...especially if you are really into sharing your CAV others. For the record, I have no selfish interests except in mal children are safe and our town doesn't become a tourist trap li Fisherman's Wharf. I know that those without children would h seeing all of the potential dangers. Edited 23h ago Thank Remove (9g gyq pirglile/1569616) from Paradise Cay Judith Do you have the url link? Thank Remove ;) (/ jer87gl5in (/profile/37011) from Belvedere OKAY - HERE IS THE LINK: http://blog.sfgate.com/storystudic (http://blog.sfgate.com/storystudic/2015/08/19/celebrating-air hosts/?ntv_a=bdABAXHQDAmdMLA) Thank Remove Gary (/profile/1569616/) thanked Judith (/profile/37011/) (/profile/29201) from Del Mar kfr While I agree with a lot of the content of the article and suppoi rentals - it's important to note this article is a sponsored articlk - it's not independent editorial content from sfgate.com Edit Delete (/ 1 9igOprofile/43106) from Belvedere AirBNB is NOT the only game in town and it is certainly not the which vacation rentals have been done for years by responsib homeowners. That said, I can see the reason for the concern prospect all those transient grannies renting rooms to even me questionable characters. There must be a lot I have to learn at starting with the location of those "two large hotels" mentione post. (Oh, I hope she didn't mean the Corinthian ...) For the record, I have children and a grandchild and enough tr that Tiburon has more of a chance of becoming the new Spac site than it does replacing Fisherman's Wharf. Forget AirBNB; that BNB thing is not what is attractive about 1 paraphrase G.S., "there is no here, here" and if anyone doubts entertaining out of town guests without leaving town. Think it through: where would you want to stay if you came he holiday and what would you want to do? A spacious, well -app with a deck and views, some close friends and catered dinner: worth the $7,500 to $10,000 a week it will cost and is much cl' reality. Day trips to Sonoma/Napa, perhaps shopping in SF, bu quiet for the evening. This is not the Zombie Apocalypse. Thanked! Remove You, James (/profile/28321/), Gary (/profile/1569616/), and 3 0 (/profile/43106/) Nclitigo2MN2q (/profile/2345624) from Paradise Drive Donal That's exactly correct People from around the world want to spend a week in Tiburo beauty, tranquility and small town feel If they wanted a party destination they would go to Las Vegas; Ibiza The few exceptions to this need to be managed through the d the peace and health and safety laws that already exist But they are the exception that proves the point - of hundreds thousands of short term rentals in Tiburon since the town was in 1964 what number created a disturbance? 1 %? 0.1 %? We have rented our house out twice 1. We rented it for a week to Alex Rodriguez and his family (a r Christmas. He wanted complete anonymity which is why he ci I am sure no other Tiburon resident knew he was here 2. The second time it was for a 90 year old man and his three : sons and their families (one of whom is famous). The 90 year c in Marin and wanted to visit some friends before they pass. These are the people that want to rent a house in Tiburon's hil clear the majority of Tiburon homes are not closely clustered a islands or lagoons And these people will not come to Tiburon lodge - they don't in a hotel room and, in our two cases, be seen by Fans or by t Xxx PS. We did not know that we needed a permit then. We do no. Thanked! Remove You, James (/profile/28321/), and Tina (/profile/31550/) thanker (/profile/2345624/) (if I29g)(/profile/2412298) from Belvedere I recently had occasion to attend a meeting of the Reed Union School Board, and was extremely impressed by the sense of c and responsibility towards children that I saw evinced by the E Staff. Those features seemed to me to be exactly the kind of a that many residents appreciate, and that many residents wouli conflicting with a situation of Tiburon residential areas heavily short term transient rentals, especially since, at the same time children are, with community programs, riding their bikes to sc transient short term renters, unacquainted with the layout of o streets would be driving on those streets, preoccupied with tr) out how to get where they wanted to go. Thank Remove Cathleen (/profile/2945657/) thanked William (/profile/2412298 084i8mr111g2gg)(/profile/2412298) from Belvedere For those who have noted that a "report", written and paid for which appeared on the SF Gate Website, made its short term rentals seem pretty desirable, I can only say I am shocked, sh( "report" written and paid for by a sponsor could possibly favoi that "paid the piper". Yes, positively shocking! Thank Remove (/ I j Jile/1569616) from Paradise Cay Mr. Rothman As I alluded to in an earlier note, you seem to have an agenda not really articulating. When you use words like "infestation" it that like I asked you earlier, whether your negative view and u: distraction of real estate values, is more a camoflage for a hati who aren't like yourself. My success in business comes from finding the one reason to the twenty-five reasons to say No. Build your moat around yoL and stand with a shotgun if you feel so inclined. But, don't "trE and use your spurious claims and false logic to scare -monger your way of thinking. It is disingenuous at best and with your use of the word "infest possibly classist or even racist at worst. This is the 21st century sir, get with it, or get off the train. Thank Remove James (/profile/28321/), Donal (/profile/43106/), Linda (/profile/ thanked Gary (/profile/1569616/) (/ F6 @+I ) (/profile/460174) from Hawthorne Terrace `4 Heavily infested with transients. This is really getting ludicrous talking about Tiburon? And Mr. R, you have a much greater ch getting sideswiped by a mom who is running late getting her c To school than a visitor to our fair Town. Just hang out on Hilai morning or afternoon. I'll show you speeding motorists. And b they don't fit your description. Thank Remove James (/profile/28321/), Tina (/profile/31550/), Donal (/profile/4 thanked Linda (/profile/460174/) (iJ (/profile/460174) from Hawthorne Terrace My last post here is to say - please, if you are so inclined, remember to send the three council members mentioned in ar (along with the email address) your letter of support for short t the Town of Tiburon. I heartily agree we need to speak up to tl' Search (/news_feedn that hold our fate in their hands. Better yet, go to the Council r Wednesday at 7pm and voice your opposition to this virtual to property rights. Or do both! I'll see you there. Let's fight the gc if we lose again I'm for Colin for a new council member when or Emmett's term is up!! Thanked! Remove You, Matthew (/profile/2345624/), and Rajiv (/profile/3574686/) (/profile/460174/) (,4i8i t2 9B)(/profile/2412298) from Belvedere Mr. Zieses, (second comment before this one) when you refer • being "classist or even racist at worst", I can only say that I wE of that on a conscious level. Could you please elucidate furth€ me to understand to, the presence of which "race(s)" or "class you feel I would object. I am always anxious to learn from thos greater insight than do I. Thank Remove vliMfjpg.2.0t2Elip(/profile/2345624) from Paradise Drive William You are the same person that said in the Ark some years ago 1 thought our schools and their boards were doing terrible work out terrible children Now you chose to praise our schools and their boards Will you similarly be reversing your view on this issue? Is so, ti Thank Remove James (/profile/28321/) and Linda (/profile/460174/) thanked Iv (/profile/2345624/) (/\i3igr y ig2g8)(/profile/2412298) from Belvedere I have never felt that was the case, and consequently have nel was the case. The only school practice issue with which I hay( related to the fact that the School District was, at one time, us pesticides on its playing fields. Happily those days are, due to sentiment, long gone. With respect to your other perception, F have me confused with someone else. Thank Remove (/iyI2pgB)(/profile/2412298) from Belvedere Mr. Zieses, I now understand why you made the error of cons', be possessive of racial or class bias. It was because you did n I said correctly. You apparently miss read by statement "heavil with short term transient rentals," as containing the word "rent what the word actually was "rentals". Yes, I would consider it "infestation" for a number of single family residences to be coi use for short term transient rentals, but that is unrelated to the class, or whatever, of the people who rented them. I forgive yc misreading of the word I wrote. Thank Remove (,I100profile/43106) from Belvedere You have confirmed by your response the disdain you harbor i who choose to visit Tiburon as short-term guests. Calling a ply and then claiming that you like the people who live there? Rea Thank Remove James (/profile/28321/) thanked Donal (/profile/43106/) (/p grggg3er (/profile/57389) from Belvedere Enough already. Time to take this discussion off line when it g( Thanked! Remove You, Sandra (/profile/791983/), and linda (/profile/3800031/) th. (/profile/57389/) (/ i r y I22gg)(/profile/2412298) from Belvedere Hopefully this will put to rest Mr. Ziese's contention, based up' reading correctly the words I had written, that I am a racist. WI read my comment that I felt many people would object if Tibur heavily infested with short term transient rentals," Mr. Ziese mi word RENTALS as being the word RENTERS. I wrote the word read the word as being "renters'', and thereby concluded that racist, a classist, or whatever. Whereas, yes, I would consider residents would object if Tiburon became heavily infested with rentals, but of course that refers to the fact that that could inv( single family residences being, for all intents and purposes, cc mini -hotels, but, as you see my comment was completely unr( race, class, or whatever of the people who would stay in them clears up the personal disparagement aspect of what Mr. Zies. to my comment. Thank Remove Cathleen (/profile/2945657/) thanked William (/profile/2412298 (/OgJgArofi le/170558) from Belvedere This has become quite entertaining. Like a soap opera! You ca read all the posts....it is addictive. If you don't like reading it, d people! Thanked! Remove You, Linda (/profile/460174/), and William (/profile/2412298/) tl' (/profile/170558/) Cleveland Justis (/profile/2819808) from Bel Aire/Cypress Holl( 06wilgagogIgioartertaining but in a very dysphoric way. For some this is an intellectual and theoretical debate. For mai is quite serious. We have real issues in our town that need to be solved and thi rental seems like a red herring to me. The threats to our childre and they're not corning from vacationers paying thousands of week to stay here. They're from our own community members who wants to see threats to our children and community is we come over to Bel Aire on any school day morning. This mornir prime example...so sad to watch. I'm much more concerned a endless parade of speeders coming through our neighborhooc basis killing our pets and narrowly missing our kids than I am neighbor welcoming a family in their home for a week or two. I on Main is much more of a draw for "transients" and trouble rr anyone renting their personal home for a little extra money. Ye: renting is a commercial activity not unlike many commercial ac many in our community undertake in their homes daily. We hal regulations to guide these businesses. Let's do the same for p want to rent their homes. Let's punish the behavior we don't v create laws that take away fundamental rights. I just hope that some who are serious about solutions will corr is clear that there are many emotions here but it is time to corr compromise. I'm happy to help if I can. But I don't want an en rhetorical discussion -- I'd like to see some come together to 1 solution that feels like it reaches more of a middle ground. Edited 18h ago Thanked! Remove You, James (/profile/283211), Gary (/profile/1569616/), and 3 o Cleveland (/profile/2819808/) uR6liglitq2908PA (/profile/2945657) from Bel Aire/Cypress Ho Donal, the two hotels I was referring to were The Tiburon Lock Water's Edge, not the Corinthean Yacht Club. Not everyone w. $7,500 to $10,000 on a week of catering and other services at else's home in Belvedere or rental in Tiburon. Most of them ari down to command that price. The Four Seasons, the Ritz Carl Chateau and other world class properties promise and deliver amenities, and are suitably closer to SF, Napa, Sonoma, etc. P those coming to Tiburon are expecting to "elevate" their expel see "San Francisco" or the skyline. With AIRBNB comes SOME people, (key word "some"), but also the potential for a patchw unsavory types such as squatters, drug addicts, sex offenders don't know our streets, laws and ordiances...from all around tr where there is no accountability. Do you remember why the cs mounted at Trestle Glen? As you have said, there is, "no here, here"... and you have to c elsewhere... One thing is certain, short term rentals absorb inv that drives local rent higher. If the locals leave, you are left will vagrants, and you will hear a pin drop in the next economic dc wonder why the hardware store, the butcher, the baker, the pit electricians have all left town...as for Space X, that is another 1 Thank Remove AgioMprofile/43106) from Belvedere Fact -Free Logic (TM) I favor the "scientific method" for a variety of reasons, --some 1 some professional --that are not germane to the current discus unlikely event that the SM is unfamiliar to the reader, it has twc features: nothing is "proved"; only "NOT dis-proved" and it on verified experiment that failed to replicate the theoretical result "theory" from business class to somewhere way back in coacl there are no "facts," only observations. Other folks might prefer to use intuition or simply speculate or consequences of some change in their surroundings; fair enoi human race was certainly helped along by an instinctive distru "strange" and a heightened awareness of sounds in the night. While it is clear even in the SM that "facts" are subject to revis observation of the results of an experiment (or intuitive experiE necessary condition. As is careful crafting of the expression of to be solved. In the present case, a "problem" was correctly stated by Cathl earlier post as being the safety of the community and in partic children. Rather than deal piecemeal with a succession of issu some way --if carried to the extreme --might make Tiburon uns; not be better to gather data by actual direct observation of ev; most agree are unsafe? One need only sit on the corner of Beach Rd and Main St or a and observe the number of cyclists ignoring the stop sign; or and count the number of times a group of children run shelter - through the crowd; or speeding; or .. (well, this has been wel documented here and elsewhere) Yes, make Tiburon a safe place for residents of all ages, but nc prohibiting activities that have been a part of the community ft without making Tiburon unsafe. Speculation on the impact of and highly unlikely evolution of a single web -commerce servic into an "infestation" must fail for lack of any verified observatic Tiburon has been affected. Thank Remove James (/profile/28321/), Linda (/profile/460174/), Gary (/profile, thanked Donal (/profile/43106/) James Draeger (/profile/28321) from Belvedere (/ +i ftli X 8 )seem to speculate a lot of negative side affects allowing the AirbnbNRBO business model to continue. Howe\ been overlooked in that discussion is the fact that this busine: already been in effect for a number of years with very isolated is the prospective ban that will have impacts on the communit Thanked! Remove You, Matthew (/profile/2345624/), and Warren (/profile/238010 (/profile/28321/) (08 i ktgpil 2g8)(/profile/2412298) from Belvedere Donal, of course, what you refer to as the scientific method, of known as the empirical method, is the best analytic method w relevant factors have been present in the experience being eve problem comes when a new factor is introduced that impacts previously existed (previous experience) As an example, your ( observation, which referred to the danger, at a particular street where you have noted that many bicyclists don't yield the righ years ago, at the same corner, there would not have been that pedestrians, not because bicycle riders have become more ca busimply because, since there were many fewer bicyclists, the have been many fewer actual total instances when not yieldinc pedestrians would have occurred. To extrapolate to the issue "infestation" by short term transient rental homes, many woulc relatively newly -arrived entity, AirBNB, an entity that facilitates term transient rentals, as being a significant change in factors how many short term transient rental situations will be brought existence, due to that new factor. Thank Remove Aklifii02t4M2E1, (/profile/2345624) from Paradise Drive Donal On the scientific method Tiburon has the hypothesis that a complete ban on short term reduce disturbances of the peace and lawbreaking I hold the opposite hypothesis A ban will increase lawbreaking and disturbances of the peace 1. Every homeowner who does rent will be breaking the law ar first step to being a recurring criminal 2. Any rentee of a property will be breaking the law too by defi 3. Adverse selection will kick in. The best rentees will no longe Tiburon because they will not want to break the law. Exactly tl- rentees that destination Tiburon wants will be scared away 4. The rentees that do come will be those who are comfortable the law - the very fact they are comfortable renting illegally der their view of the law 5. In the absence of greatly increased enforcement of the com law breaking and disturbances of the peace will be much incrE As a result a short term rental ban greatly increases law breaki create adverse selection that will drive disturbances of the peE Reactions? Edited 4h ago Thank Remove Linda (/profile/460174)) and Gary (/profile/1569616/) thanked II (/profile/2345624/) Write a reply... (/7)II (/news feed/?post=15280723) Lane & Holly Sorrelle (/profile/855777) from Del Mar 2 year old BrinkMan 2 burner BBQ Grill in good condition with hea' duty black cover. Grill has two removable shelves, one on each side. Grilling area is x 15" and grill is 44" high. 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